>>18447742
the Jews orchestrated it. they subverted the iberians

>>18447742
you know those maps are of the pope giving claims right
they didn't actually control that shit
if you wanted to make this point you could have at least posted french north africa in the 1900s

>>18447806
>they didn't actually control that shit
No need to colonize a desert; no need for sand or goatfuckers... But the warlords paid tribute to the christians (hence the soft color) and the truly important enclaves on the coast (the points on the map) were possessions conquered: Orán, Argel, Bugía,Trípoli, Bona, Bizerta, Túnez, Melilla, Cazaza, Mazalquivir, Vélez de la Gomera, La Goleta, Ceuta, Tánger, Mazagán, Agadir, Mogador, Casablanca, Larache, La Mamora...
>>18447806
>you know those maps are of the pope giving claims right
Just Tordesillas, not the rest (and it does not change de facts on the map).

>>18447742
>meme map
And they didn't have a "technological head start", wtf

>>18448123
>And they didn't have a "technological head start", wtf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)

>>18448128
>current year+11
>falling for the dark ages meme
Medieval Iberia was still rich and advanced. If anything, it had the edge since the Romans actually colonized and ruled all of the peninsula whereas Roman Africa was mainly the coast

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>>18448128
>Dark Ages

>>18447742
Because civil wars
>inb4 Iberia
Yes, the Iberian Kingdoms also had civil wars, but those wars were nowhere near as destructive as the ones in the Maghreb. The Iberians had some kind of "code of conduct" about how wage war and what to do and what to avoid in war times. Their civil wars were more "civil", for a lack of better words.
The North Africans? They gave zero fucks, they invaded towns and razed them to the ground, they never though about the human resources or the infrastructure there, they just destroyed everything to "send a message" to their rivals. Those wars definitely had an impact in their population and technological progression, and the last years of the Reconquista were specially bad for the North African Kingdoms.

>>18447742
These are all claims tho?? Iberians only owned a few ports here and there and these all fell in a few years too

>>18448304
>but those wars were nowhere near as destructive as the ones in the Maghreb. The Iberians had some kind of "code of conduct" about how wage war and what to do and what to avoid in war times. Their civil wars were more "civil", for a lack of better words.
[Citation needed]

>>18447742
Technological diference wasn't that big back then, but it diverge in favor of Portugal and Castile/Aragon in the 1400s

>>18448319
Bruh there multiple poems across Maghreb that celebrate the "triumphal" intergenerational march westwards of arabic bedouins from Egypt to Mauretania (usually ending in genocides and massacres of local berbers).

>>18447742
The Rconquista took 781 years so it took a lot of time and the center of power of the muslims was far away in the Middle East so it's normal they had more problems to resupply the army. There was also infighting between them.

Mauretania was always an underdeveloped backwater even in Roman times. It was arguably the most remote province. The province of Africa got fucked hard by desertification. The Muslim destruction of the city of Carthage in 698 didn’t help matters either

>>18449141
Dont forger the Banu Hilal bedouins and their offshots that ravaged North Africa and brought pastoralism instead of agricolture. The local agricolture took some centuries to recover from their devastations

>>18447742
Inbreeding and Islam

>>18449153
Very true

>>18449139
>and the center of power of the muslims was far away in the Middle East
No it wasn't. The Arabs back in the middle east ceased having any real control over Al-Andalus by 929 AD, which is when the last Umayyad Emir of of Cordoba declared himself Caliph of his own independent Muslim realm there. After that, the middle eastern Muslim caliphs and sultans never again held any sway in Iberia. Al-Andalus was not some far-flung frontier of a larger Muslim empire, it was its own state. Though it wasn't a very stable one. They changed dynasties half a dozen times as the Berbers in North Africa struggled with the remaining Arab princes in Iberia for control of Al-Andalus. There were also long periods where there was no unified caliphate in Iberia, which is why the Reconquista was able to make the gains it did.

As usual, the Muslim tendency for petty infighting and power struggles was their downfall.

>>18449153
It always confused me how North Africa was, during Roman Times, a breadbasket province that was capable of supplying the bottomless hunger of Rome with grain, but today is a barren shithole. I don't think the climate has changed THAT much.

>>18449153
>The local agricolture took some centuries to recover from their devastations
Egypt never recovered.

>>18449196
>today is a barren shithole
That is completely false tho? North Africa globally exports olive and other vegetables

And the breadbasket was Egypt not the Maghreb, but since afroasiatics liberated it the Nile has been used to feed and grow the locals rather than colonizers from Greece or Rome

>>18449141
>Carthage
Was completely destroyed and salted by Romans in ancient times

That "Carthage" dismantled was nothing but a greek settler colony

>>18449188
Ok you are right about that, I had forgotten about that part. Now I remember that when there was some power struggle between different sultans in Damasco one of them escaped to Al-Andalus and created his own kingdom there.

And about the infighting, yeah the muslims had the taifas period where Al-Andalus was divided in many little kingdoms and also the berbers in north africa that never had a good relationship with them but there was also infighting between the christian kingdoms. For example the famous Cid sometimes allied with muslims kingdoms against the christians because he had problems with the christian king he was serving. That is why it took a long time to complete the reconquest too.

Iberian taifas were writing poetry and drinking wine while the world burned that why neither iberian christians or north african muslims respectd them

>>18449196
The coast especially in Tunisia is still fertile. Its true tho that the landlocked regions were fucked hard by the natural desertification + Hilal seminomadism combo.

>>18449533
>That "Carthage" dismantled was nothing but a greek settler colony
Bullshit. It was the colony Caesar founded that quickly became the largest port of the western mediterranean. Big enough that its bishops was considered the Primate bishop among all the bishops of Western Africa