Has there ever been a geopolitical feud where one side is so obviously in the wrong?>señooor we are closer to the islands therefore they should be ours according to the Divine Law of Proximity to Island señooor>señooor I know you were there first but you're still the evil colonizers because you're whiter than us and therefore have a colonizer vibe señooor>señooor you are settler colonizer pirate, please ignore that we're a military junta ran by European settler-colonizers and Nazi diaspora señooor
>>18448082argentinians are scum and I say it as a latino too (Peruvian) but they are actually in the right about the Falklands. The british are monsters holding on to territory THEY DON'T USE and that is culturally closer aligned to argentina. argentinians are stupid for trying to appeal to white people without realizing they aren't white themselves (just light skinned latinos). Yes , their rulers like milei are actual nazi descendants but the people are innocent mestizos and even slightly brown like the famous angel di maria and Carlos tevez (even Messi doesn't look that white, he has an indio face).The land is 100% argentinian because of argentinians had boats first, they would have arrived first.
>>18448096>The land is 100% argentinian because of argentinians had boats first, they would have arrived first.
As a Brit I just don't fucking care and it's a damning indictment on the state of our country that this shitty rock of penguins and sheep is our cause célèbre purely because we (a global power with aircraft carriers and nukes) managed to claw a victory against a backwards third world junta more than 40 years ago.When I think of British accomplishments I think of Shakespeare, I think of ending the slave trade (a uniquely altruistic act in the world of geopolitics where everything has an ulterior motive), I think of the institution of fair jury trials for all (a right we're rapidly losing)Instead of those things I'm supposed to feel pride because we defeated a vastly inferior military force to defend a worthless island that we own as a relic of a bygone age.I say give the damn islands to the Argentinians so we don't have to keep hearing about this fucking bullshit.
>>18448082I don't think it's an interesting question to ask who is in the 'wrong,' as if right or wrong matter when it comes to carving up the world map, or are objective metrics in any way. The more interesting question is why both parties, England and Argentina, care so much about this rocky island chain.In Argentina's case, it's simply a matter of self-interest. They don't want an adversarial power to have a naval base off the coast from their country. Mostly because it's humiliating for them but also because it limits their ability to project power in the region. In England's case it's a matter of wounded pride. Imperial decline has permanently scarred the English national consciousness, so any small scraps that remain of their former glory must be viciously protected at any cost. Since the Falklands was one of the few territories of the former worldwide English civilization that wasn't obtained through any the Mortal Sins (racism, colonialism, apartheid, ethnic cleansing), even milquetoast British liberals can cling to the Falkands as a 'rightful' possession. But this obstinate pettiness only makes England in its old age look weaker . . . Perhaps a dying man should know when to shut his eyes. This would actually be better for the English for only when their empire is truly dead and buried will they be able to achieve a reckoning with those who kicked them to the curb. Revenge is a healthier instinct than the lack of purpose the English currently feel
>>18448099>I say give the damn islands to the Argentinians so we don't have to keep hearing about this fucking bullshit.sell them instead retard
>>18448096>mindbroken thirdie with Anglo Derangement Syndromemany such cases
>>18448082>Las Malvinas son ArgentinasWhy does this obviously true statement make firsties seethe so much?Regardless, the recent announcement by Blumpf is such a clown show, this is obviously a cynical ploy by Zion Don to shore up the legitimacy of his puppet Jewlei, whose approval ratings have predictably nosedived after looting the country.As much as I want Las Malvinas to be returned to its rightful owners as a proud Latinx GOD I hope this fails, we can’t allow Jewlei even one political win.The war ultimately brought down the corrupt rightwing neoliberal dictatorship that tortured, killed and disappeared thousands of innocent, including heroes and martyrs like the Montoneros.We can only hope this too will bring the Jewlei regime and restore Peronist democracy to our aggrieved nation.
>>18448199impressive, six replies before a latinx had a meltdown about jews, must be a first for /his/
>>18448096>t.
>>18448206vgh...the POVERTYSHACKS of CHUNCHUNPACAMARU...home...
>>18448206You white losers are so jealous of Latinos and Peru specifically. In that ugly neighborhood there is more love, brotherhood, community, peace and freedom than in your soulless white shitty cities where you live like rats in the rat utopia.
>>18448212Outlandish attempt at bait, 5/10
>>18448205Unlike firsties who just passively accept it like bitches, I notice and respond when my country is being subverted.
Argentina is obviously in the right.>Anglos constantly give away their colonies and islands>give independence to Canada, Australia and New Zealand>let Canada put A FUCKING LEAF on their flag>constantly allow Scotland to vote for independence>gave away Northern Ireland to an eventual Catholic-Irish majority at some inevitable point in the future>gave away an island and PAID the receiver for it>agreed with Argentina on literally everything, except directly giving it over>approved giving Falklanders Argentinian dual-passports, before the war stopped it>only after the war, Anglos finally have enough (temporary) Nationalist sensibilities to keep FalklandsWho knows how long this will last? In the next thousand years the Falkland islands probably won't be British anymore, since it just takes a single legislative period, where Leftists or whatever kind of Gay Race Communist alliance will inherit the Left and take over, to give away national territory.
>>18448171I can't believe how consistently wrong people are about Britain. I swear for a country so important to the history of the globe it is so strange how misunderstood Britain is.Britain rarely ever, even historically outside of wars displays much pride. It is certainly not a boastfully proud nation like the US. Therefore its silly to say Britain holds on to it because of wounded pride. Look in history and what you'll really find is Britain is very sensitive to countries who believe they can act aggressively without consequence. Despite Britain retrospectively being seen as a militant country (which it never has been), Britain has always pushed back against countries who break the rule of law and engage in the rule of the strong. Look at WW1, look at WW2, look at even today, Britain is the most proactive in supporting ukraine against Russia.This is important to Britain. Britain was happy to give up the falklands but then argentines acted aggressively against Britain and against the wishes of the Falkland inhabitants. Giving it back would be an injustice after British blood had been spilled. Argentina has still not made amends with Britain but still talks agressively over the Islands so it won't get them until they learn how to behave properly and orderly
>>18448270>Britain rarely ever, even historically outside of wars displays much pride. It is certainly not a boastfully proud nation like the US.It is an extremely smug nation though. Which arguably is much worse than pride.
>>18448082This logic also applies to South Africa, they literally couldn't figure out how to get passed the mountain and the Dutch found it empty
>>18448199Are the islands part of Argentina? No. Are the islands part of Argentina according to international law? No. Do the islands want to be part of Argentina? No.So how the fuck can "Las Malvinas son Argentinas" be "obviously true"?
>>18448096>the british are monsters holding on to territory THEY DON'T USE and that is culturally closer aligned to argentina.british people live there wtf are you talking about>THE MALVINAS WERE, ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE ARGENTINE,” Milei said in Spanish on X on Friday, using the Argentine name for the islands. I hate Argentinians so much
>>18448270>Britain rarely ever, even historically outside of wars displays much prideI have no idea what you mean by this. English people aren't proud to be English? The British government discourages national pride? I guess that's true, but that's a more recent phenomenon.>It is certainly not a boastfully proud nation like the USTrue, England as an empire relied more on soft power and tactical diplomacy than America, which can afford to boss around the world, including England, without consequence.>Look in history and what you'll really find is Britain is very sensitive to countries who believe they can act aggressively without consequenceEngland is only "very sensitive" to aggressive countries when the aggressive country in question isn't themselves or America.England will never stand up to American power in any meaningful sense because they would starve if America's navy blockaded them.>Britain was happy to give up the falklandsA Labour government considered doing so and never did, due to overwhelming public opposition
>>18448096>culturally closerWhat? They are ethnic anglos
>>18448270>Britain is very sensitive to countries who believe they can act aggressively without consequence
>>18448270>Britain is very sensitive to countries who believe they can act aggressivelyTranslation: England doesn't like aggressive countries whose actions contradict British global influence.Oh, unless the country in question is America, then there's no problem.
>>18448171What a braindead take.Argentina don't give a shit about projecting power with overseas naval bases, nor that someone else does it in their region. Wei're not living in the 19th century anymore, and if anything it is the British who still care about that kind of stuff. It's actually the Argentinians who are in it mostly out of pride. The islands essentially have the same place in their national consciousness as Kosovo has for Serbs, they're that obsessed with it. Accepting that the islands aren't and never will be theirs is just unimaginable to them.But for the British it's mostly just about respecting the will of the people living there, if it wasn't they would have already given them up many decades ago as they have basically no other need for it in the modern day. This imperial nostalgia nonsense is hardly on anyones mind at this point.
>>18448354Brits genuinely believe they took over 1/4 of the world without being the aggressor, ever. It's unbelievable how deluded they are
>>18448366>But for the British it's mostly just about respecting the will of the people living thereExcept this is obviously nonsense since Wilsonian self determination has never been a driving factor behind British state actions, and if anything was crafted specifically to dismantle British world influence. England still holds the Falklands not because of Wilsonianism but because that was the last remnant of their empire that Wilsonianism couldn't destroy
>>18448378Anon, they have a total of 13 other overseas territories, 9 of which actually have a larger population than the Falklands. One of them, Anguilla in the Caribbean, was initially to be part of Saint Kitts when that nation was granted independence, but a revolt broke out on the island in favour of remaining a British territory so the British agreed to keep it.You don't know shit.
>>18448354>>18448367>kindly anglo merchants arrive at a new shore to peacefully trade>ooga booga nignogs pour out of the jungle howling and chucking spears at his irish and native servants>shoot them, arrest their grand poobah and have him tell his underlings to be civilized>a new territory is now inducted into the empire>either push deeper inland or sail to a new shore>rinse, repeatthis is the opposite of aggression, it is pacification
>>18448390Yeah, they're territories the US allows England to own because they barely pass the Wilsonian test, or are considered too small to matter.England will never obtain any territories without America's explicit permission.
>>18448390I think you're missing the point. England lost its empire because America (and the USSR) pushed aggressively for self-determination of colonized peoples.What remains are just a few scraps that England was able to justify through this principle of self-determination. But does desperately holding onto these scraps actually benefit England? Or does it just make England more complicit in the face of American world domination?If the English people had a healthy national consciousness, they would despise and hate America for what it's done to their civilization. Instead they play by American rules to salvage what little of their empire remains.If America hands the Falklands over to Argentina, for the first time it may genuinely lead to an outburst of anti-Americanism in England. So personally I hope America makes this mistake.
>>18448390Wait, so was it going to be called St. Kitts and Nevis And Anguilla?Why did they revolt?
>>18448096>culturally closer aligned to argentinaNo way. At least from what I've read, visitors there say it's like a timewarp of England in the past. >>18448240>approved giving Falklanders Argentinian dual-passports, before the war stopped it>only after the war, Anglos finally have enough (temporary) Nationalist sensibilities to keep FalklandsArgentina really fucked it up because they underestimated Thatcher and the invasion was a traumatic experience for the islanders and it accelerated and hardened a Falklands Islander identity.>>18448270>I can't believe how consistently wrong people are about Britain ... Britain rarely ever, even historically outside of wars displays much pride. ... Despite Britain retrospectively being seen as a militant country (which it never has been)Yeah that's true. Orwell wrote about this in the 1940s, but that there could be moments when they get alerted to danger and suddenly swing together and do the same thing like a herd of cattle facing a wolf. Also he wrote about the English dislike of uniforms. I think for the English there's something embarrassing about it.>>18448282>It is an extremely smug nation though. That's also true.
>>18448412I think you're grossly exaggerating the role the US and the USSR played in decolonization. More than a decade passed after WW2, when those two established themselves as superpowers, before they decided to demolish the entire empire. The increasingly expensive maintenance costs and people at home becoming increasingly apathetic at best, hostile at worst, towards the idea of keeping them mattered alot more. What makes these territories different is that they want to keep being British, justifying it for both domestic and international opinion and avoiding having to deal with prolonged insurgency, and that they're small, ergo cheap.>>18448414Saint Kitts was the main island with a large majority of the population so they were really worried about being neglected. The people of Nevis largely felt the same, but for whatever reason they opted to push for autonomy within an independent Saint Kitts instead. The whole West Indies federation fell apart for similair reasons.
>>18448433How much more/less efficiently do directly held territories of the Europeans run today vs native run countries?
>>18448096>argentinians had boats first, they would have arrived first.Should've had boats then LMAO
>>18448099>give the damn islands to the ArgentiniansFuck off, traitor. They're British islands filled with British people.
>>18448199>Why does this obviously true statement make firsties seethe so much?When has the Falklands ever been a part of Argentina (except for the brief period they were occupied in 1982)?
>>18448222>respondlol impotently bitching online how based
>>18448367>#>Brits genuinely believe they took over 1/4 of the world without being the aggressor, ever.I'm pretty sure the Romans also believed that
>>18448082>Has there ever been a geopolitical feud where one side is so obviously in the wrong?Trump's nonsensical spergout against Denmark and NATO allies in general
>>18448096>The land is 100% argentinian because of argentinians had boats first, they would have arrived first.Thats the worst argument Ive ever heard.
>>18448282Peoples dislike of Britain always comes down to an inferiority complex doesn't it?We don't act smug. We are just more cultured and less cultured people (like new worlders and africans) take offense at that for some reason.
>>18448412>Instead they play by American rules to salvage what little of their empire remains.Anon, America plays by Britains rules. Britain laid out the framework for a global order that the Americans have upheld which made the British empire no longer necessary. The british empire was nothing to do with civilization, it was just about keeping markets open for trade. The Americans have upheld that without Britain having to pay the cost.
>>18448096>THEY DON'T USEPretty sure it is being used to live on, yeah?
>>18448082Never say the time of miracles is over. Somehow, the argentanguans have managed to make me root for Britain.
>>18448747Britts are notoriously uncultured and try their hardest to larp as French though. Of course, compared to argentanguans even a chav is a member of the gentry.
>>18448096>THEY DON'T USEPretty sure the people living there use the land Anon
>>18448240>agreed with Argentina on literally everything, except directly giving it overIf all this was happening why did Argentina illegally invade the islands?
>>18448757>Britts are notoriously unculturedThe stereotype of the English gentlemen is literally the epitome of cultured
>>18448814For retarded dumb populist brown reasons like in every such regime.
>>18448827>The apex of a cultured Englishman is one who pretends to be French
>>18448439Generally better or the same, but administrative efficiency js not the only concern. The entire Chagos archipelago have been turned into a military base by the British and the entire Chagossian population have been deported for not being authorized military personell. Meanwhile the native Kanaks of New Caledonia are pushing hard for independence as they're worried about being demographically replaced by immigrants from metropolitan France.
>>18448880>Meanwhile the native Kanaks of New Caledonia are pushing hard for independence as they're worried about being demographically replaced by immigrants from metropolitan France.God damn, that would be armageddon for the French there. Algeria 2.0.
>>18448854>French people speak Posh EnglishYou have never been to France lmao. They hate English speakers
>>18448455the first to arrive were indeed spaniards though dumbass
>>18448082>those argumentsOP is a brown Chilean from Santiago
>>18448096>culturally closer aligned to argentinaLiterally how though? They're all british there.
>>18448941Don't care, they're British now and forever
>>18448082It’s weird the lefties on /his/ drop the anti-colonialism when it comes to ZOG.I suspect this board has a much higher number of jews than other boards.Perhaps that data hack was right. Maybe this board really is 1/3 Israeli.
>>18449498Would you support mass migration of browns to British lands?
>>18449503There's literally nothing wrong with colonising an empty island
>>18448082>Has there ever been a geopolitical feud where one side is so obviously in the wrong?The first humans to land on the Falklands were Brits.Although Fuegians from Patagonia may have visited the Falkland Islands in prehistoric times,[19][20] the islands were uninhabited when Europeans first explored them.[21] European claims of discovery date back to the 16th century, but no consensus exists on whether early explorers sighted the Falklands or other islands in the South Atlantic.[22][23][C] The first undisputed landing on the islands is attributed to English captain John Strong, who, en route to Peru and Chile's littoral in 1690, explored the Falkland Sound and noted the islands' water and game.[25]
>>18448082The war happened the year i was born. Thats all I know. I'm stateside WASP. Not sure how to feel about it honestly.
>>18448517The Romans did it by framing each of the conquests, slave raids, and genocides as 'pre-emptive self defence', even when they knew that they were bullshitting themselves. The expansion of the British empire was mostly a private affair, with businessmen, traders, and companies (particularly the East India Company) expanding into foreign markets and just dominating the local economy through capital and being a shitload more organised than the locals. It didn't take very long for the government in London to start getting incredibly angry at all the businessmen going out and raising the flag all over the world - because it was the government that had to administer, defend, and pay for it all. The few times when Britain actually did invade and conquer a place to add it to the empire it was usually an attempt to maintain the balance of power in Europe - because a number of other European countries were building their own empire, and if you get left behind in geopolitics that isn't going to be fun for you.
>>18448099And Brits like this anon are why modern Britain is such a failure. You do know most residents on the islands are Brits and prefer to stay Brits, right? Why are you trying to force them out of the UK?
>>18449864Wonderful and insightful post anon.
>>18448206Do you have that with sound?
>>18448212>>18448096>argentinians are scum and I say it as a latino too (Peruvian)
>>18448096Another Peruvian here and I have to say you are a certified retard or master troll. My father was watching news last week and whenever Argies came on they would not shut up about falklands because apparently Trump was going to give them the islands or some shit. Literally the most insufferable loser people I have ever seen.
>>18450134>Another Peruvian here and I have to say you are a certified retard or master troll. My father was watching news last week and whenever Argies came on they would not shut up about falklands because apparently Trump was going to give them the islands or some shit. Literally the most insufferable loser people I have ever seen.
>Another Peruvian here
>>18450149>>18450155I understand, thank you for your valuable input
>>184484611820s to 1830s
I'm argentinian and I think the dispute is retarded
>>18448099>I say give the damn islands to the Argentinians so we don't have to keep hearing about this fucking bullshit.I say we deport your ass to Argentina.
