Is the Korean War forgotten because it's actually just boring?
It was also the first war the Americans lost.
It's conveniently memoryholed so we can say North Korea is an evil rogue stage for no reason whatsoever. Them wanting nukes would be understandable if it was popularly known a third of their civillian population died through indiscriminate bombing.
>>18448555America didn't lose>>18448556Nobody actually cares if North Korea has nukes because they aren't a real threat to anyone. They aren't actively funding terrorist groups to destabalize a region like Iran is, they aren't surrounded by equally violent retards like Israel like Iran is either.
>>18448551>>18448564mutts and their lapdogs lost>>18448555yup
>>18448564>fail to meet your objecftives>half of korea is now communist>we weren't even tryinglet me guess the US also won in Vietnam and afghanistan. now do it again in Iran lmfao. only an idiot repeatss the same mistake twice. in this case, 2-3-4 times i've lost count
>>18448588South Korea was the objective, you absolute dumbass. That was the entire casus belli of the war, pushing the North out of the South and was completely achieved, with the exception of freaking Kaesong. Both the UN and China achieved their goals in the war.
>>18448551Kinda? It's more that it never really concluded and just entered a stalemate till everyone agreed they couldn't be bothered anymore. Neither side achieved its objectives so neither side can hold it up as a "victory" over the other nor get all revanchist for "losing". Add to that Americas involvement was entirely about abstract geopolitical maneuvering rather than some easy to swallow narrative about a virtuous triumph or tragic lost cause, so you can't make a good propaganda narrative out of it.
>>18448605starting from China's entrance into the war, they won, from their point of view, because UN was at their border
>>18448622Eh that depends on how you define their objectives. They were definitely trying to kick the UN forces of the peninsula entirely and failed at that. But on the other hand neither could the UN forces dislodge them. It was pretty much the platonic definition of a stalemate leading to a white peace.
>>18448631no... the initial objective was to push UN forces back from the border and create a buffer zone, which they succeeded at"taking the whole peninsula" only came into play because they were kicking american ass so hard, might as well try
>>18448595>we only lost a little if you think about it
Wumao claiming that Americans lost Korea is more pathetic than Americans claiming they didn't lose Vietnam or Afghanistan
>>18448555America never lose a war>>18448588All of these weee either special operations without a fornal war declaration under a NATO/ONU mandate, or the USA Just sent troops to help someone else. The last time USA took part in a proper war was WW2
>>18448647oh boy
>>18448647>All of these weee either special operations without a fornal war declaration under a NATO/ONU mandate,This is somewhat true. In Vietnam for example, it's often taught in schools that America wasn't even directly involved, they were just backing one side of a Civil War, so they really lose per se. This is where war gets kind of fuzzy because in some cases, the winner or loser really depends on the perspective, because Americans do teach themselves that Vietnam was a loss for them because the Americans goal was to carry out Containment Strategy/Truman Doctrine
>>18448555America lost vietnam and the war is more famous than WW1
NO WAR IS BORING FROM THE FRONTLINES.
America stopped losing wars as soon as the draft ended in 1973, because after that the military became a purely volunteer force where everyone is basically just a DoD employee carrying out what are ostensibly peacekeeping missions with military involvement at best, that's when they officially stopped being real wars and started truly being special needs military operations instead.
It’s largely forgotten in the U.S. because it’s sandwiched inbetween WWII, which soaks up all the attention devoted to military history for obvious reasons, and Vietnam, which was the first major conventional war the U.S. outright lost and was also beamed directly onto every TV set in America for an entire generation and also gets brought up nonstop by the baby boomers that fought in it. The Korean War also took place before constant live mass media coverage became widespread in the early 1960s; coverage of it was of the WWII-style 30-second weekly cinema newsreel of “our brave boys are pounding the commies!” *queue a few shots of artillery guns firing at some hill* and that’s all. It was relatively easy for your average Joe on the street to forget that the U.S. was even fighting a major war in Korea at all, especially in the midst of the post-WWII economic boom, prosperity and newfound family life of all the returned vets.AMA about the Korean War btw. I might not respond until morning but it’s always been somewhat of a niche interest of mine. In the meantime I’ll dump some rare pics of it from my collection. It’s incredible how few Korean War pics come up from searching for them; you need to go way out of your way to find some that aren’t the same 20-30 well-known images of that war.
>>18448665Chinese troops massing for their 1951 Fifth Phase Offensive, known to UN troops as the May Massacre (Almost certainly a staged propaganda shot, because any Chinese troops or vehicles moving out in the open would have attracted roaming UN aircraft like mice to cheese)
>>18448669US 3rd Infantry Division and Belgian Brigade riflemen moving into the Sobang Hills
>>18448639Achieving the goal you joined the war for is a victory, yes.
>>18448665Marines shortly after breaking out of a Chinese encirclement at Hagaru-Ri during the Chosin withdrawal
>>18448680Marines at Wolmi-Do island overlooking Inchon Harbour
>>18448665You're wrong about this. Korea basically destroyed Trumans Presidency (which had big downwind effects on the New Deal coalition) including allowing a Republican into the White House to take credit for the historically unparalleled 50's economic boom. The draft still existed during Korea and a huge amount of people had to go and serve in it. The war was massively unpopular and not at all "out of sight out of mind". Sure the people didn't get the sheer horror of the Vietnam TV broadcasts, but their families and neighbors were still being shipped off to fight in a war no one understood the reason for and despite years of fighting made no appreciable progress.
>>18448634By that logic America won because the literal exact same thing happened to them with>Kick the Reds out of the South>Wow we're doing so well>Let's just keep going!The Korean War is a textbook example of the danger of ever expanding objectives.
>>18448688It *almost* destroyed Truman’s presidency. Eisenhower did to a large extent get into office due to Korea but keep in mind that it was only one of the “Three Cs”. I would argue that lingering public disappointment over the fact that Truman seemed so underwhelming of a figure compared to FDR had just as much if not more influence on the public’s decision to vote him out as Korea did.>The war was massively unpopular and not at all "out of sight out of mind".I disagree. Maybe it varied from one region to another of America depending on which states had to activate their respective national guard divisions to go reinforce the UN in Korea. But there’s many firsthand accounts from people who were alive during that period as well as from vets themselves who described in detail how many folks were barely aware that Korea was going on at all. There were brief upsurges in public attention, such as during the election season as you pointed out, but other than that it seems like most written and verbal testimonies describe it as background noise, especially during the static warfare period of 1952-53 when the front lines weren’t moving anywhere in a hurry.
>>18448688>for the historically unparalleled 50's economic boom.Holy shit retards really need to stop saying this, the 50s was a massive postwar economic recovery yes but it wasn't unparalleled, the 90s represented a larger economic boom for example
>>18448564Plenty of people care if North Korea has nukes or not. Difference is that North Korea is A) actually skilled at political games in a manner which other tinpot regimes like Saddam’s Iraq wasn’t and B) has two giant friends right next door that are constantly forced to take an active interest in continuing its existence
>>18448634Then America won the war before the Chinese intervened using that metric then. They could've stopped on the original borders. Also 1,000,000+ dead commies lmaooo
>>18448665The Korean War didn't have a good soundtrack either, every WW2 movie and docu ever has "Take The 'A' Train" or "The Chattanooga Choo Choo" in it and every Vietnam movie and docu ever has "White Rabbit" or "Purple Haze" in it but Korea had...?
>>18448555Neither side achieved their objective (uniting the peninsula) and the lines froze pretty much where they startedIt’s the textbook example of a stalemate
>>18448588Damn, China lost the Korean war. Thanks for confirming this
>>18449334China's objective was to keep the US/UN/SK off it's border. China is the only nation that achieved it's objectives.
>>18449337China expanded its objectives when it thought they had the US on the ropes lol, I swear to god wumaos actually think the korean war started at the battle of inchon and ended immediately after the third battle of seoul
>>18449339The experienced CPVA soldiers were all killed off and they never recovered from that.
>>18449341The PLA had shitloads more experienced fighting men at its disposal, something like 8 million by the end of the civil war. The problem Mao faced was that these men were desperately needed in the workforce and on their farms and workshops to rebuild China from the smoking pile of rubble it was after 30 years of civil war and Japanese invasion. Red China’s tinpot economy throughout the ‘50s was constantly on the verge of complete collapse and mustering the giant land army they had in the 1940s would have thrown Mao’s plans for rebuilding China to his liking into chaos. The second issue was the fact that the Chinese, from beginning to end, saw Korea as a second-priority theatre, just as the Americans considered it a second priority compared to not letting Stalin overrun Northwest Europe and the Mediterranean. The best bulk of China’s highest-quality forces were all concentrated around potentially taking Taiwan which they always saw as their ultimate goal, with whatever troops were left allocated to the Korean Peninsula. Sending their best troops to Korea was seen as irrational, just as the U.S. joint chiefs would have considered sending their best outfits like the 82nd Airborne to Korea to be irrational when there were 50 Russian tank divisions parked at the border of West Germany.
>>18449323>Hear the patter of running feet>It’s the old First Cav in full retreat>They’re moving on; they’ll soon be gone>They’re haulin’ ass, not savin’ gas>They’ll soon be gone>Over on that hill there’s a Russian tank>A million Chinks are on my flank>I’m movin’ on, I’ll soon be gone>With my rifle broke, it ain’t no joke>I’ll soon be gone>Ten million Chinks comin’ through the pass>Playin’ burp-gun boogie all over my ass>I’m movin’ on, I’ll soon be gone>With my rifle broke, it ain’t no joke>I’ll soon be gone>Standin’ in a rice paddy up to my belly>And from then on, they called me “Smelly”>I’m moving on; I’ll soon be gone>I’m haulin’ ass, not savin’ gas>ill soon be gone>I sung this song for the very last time>Gonna get Korea off my mind>I’m moving on; I’ll soon be gone>I done my time in the shit and slime>and i’m movin’ onhttps://youtu.be/_XY8h_h-uhA?si=vBX2ObsE5TJWf2i0
>>18449426nta but that song was from the late 50s. during the actual war itself there was no good music you could use in a movie soundtrack unless it was "Goodnight Irene."
>>18449429/mu/ has a regular poster who shows up every couple of weeks to talk about how much music sucked in the first half of the 1950s
>>18449327America kept their satellite state on mainland Asia and China kept their buffer state. Both sides won!
>>18448551It's not boring it's just mogged by WW2.
>>18448555>Stops norks and chinks from conquering South KoreaHow exactly did the US lose?
>>18448577>yellow hands typed this post
>>18448556>a third of their civillian population died through indiscriminate bombing.Deserved, commie lives don't matter. Also north Korea started the war, it's not like they were bombed for no reason.
>>18448551My grandfather fought in it.
>>18448588>fail to meet your objecftivesYes, the North Korean didn't meet their objectives (taking the South).>half of korea is now communistNope, half of Korea is still Free, while communist Korea was communist before the war started.>we weren't even tryingYeah, despite the fact that the US chose to fight a limited war, the communists were beaten.>the US also won in Vietnam, Irak and suchYes, the US beat its opponents in these conflits (Khe sanh, sadr city, operations starlite, etc...)>again in Iran War is over, but the Iranian nuclear facilities and navy were destroyed and, of course, the strait was never blocked at all despite the delusions of some.You lost, you anti-US troll.
>>18448643>than Americans claiming they didn't lose Vietnam or iraq and such Not a claim but a fact; seeth harder you anti-US troll
>>18448643>>18448588But many disgusting turkish scumbag will be k*ll*d for the crappy nonsense you tried to spout.
>>18448551it got overshadowed by other events. It immediately followed ww2, and preceded Vietnam, which had a much greater impact on american society.In terms in "boring," it was an incredibly bloody and brutal conflict which caused untold amounts of destruction. The sheer amount of carnage it caused in 3 years was insane
Mao's son was killed in Korea
>>18449429Hank Snow was already a big name in music in the early 1950s. Your average GI squatting in his hilltop bunker in Korea heard his songs constantly, hence why they made up those parody lyrics. Some other big singers at the time were Patti Page, Teresa Brewer, Connie Stevens or Eddie Fisher, along with the old big names of the 1940s/WWII era music scene that still retained their popularity. >"We went away in 1950 to Glenn Miller. We came back in 1954 to Elvis Presley," said Captain John Thornton without much enthusiasm.
>>18449693i think his point was more that that music was lame and forgettable.
>>18449704yeah it's hard to argue with that. the '50s were a great decade for music, but that's entirely due to the mid-late '50s. By 1955 you had constant doo-wop, early R&B, electric guitar rock n'roll bangers coming out. But unfortunately the poor saps eating Red bullets in Korea didn't have much new good stuff to listen to.
>>18449693>Connie Stevensshe was a kid during the Korean War, she was a late 50s-early 60s thing
>>18448555I love that the slaves are frothing at the mouth in anger. >"Erm ahktually, we couldnt push out china/north k, but we got half so thats a victory!"
>>18449775As has been repeatedly pointed out, if the US lost in Korea because they expanded their objectives then China did as well>uh yeah but uh uh
>>18449491>commie lives don't matterThe mask of humanity fall from capital. It has to take it off to kill everyone — everything you love; all the hope and tenderness in the world. It has to take it off, just for one second. To do the deed. And then you see it. As it strangles and beats your friends to death... the sweetest, most courageous people in the world...Then you *know*.That the bourgeois are not human.
>>18449798that post might have more pull if you guys didn't do the stormfag>it never happened but they deserved it if it happened (it didn't) schtick
>>18449776China got a propaganda victory out of "standing up to America" and "repelling the west". They made a sweet 3 hour movie about it a couple of years ago.
>>18449693Why was that period of music so forgotten? Did the rise of rock n roll bury it?
>>18449526>Nope, half of Korea is still Free, while communist Korea was communist before the war started.To be fair both sides are kind of shitholes in their own specific way.
>>18449808>ok yeah china failed in achieving mao's aim of reunifying the peninsula, but akchoally-why are you wumaos like this lol
>>18449800>lil bro did not understand the postmany such cases. come back when you have more disco in your life
>>18449849Oh no, you really thought that was some poetic shot lol
>>18449814The Korean peninsula somehow evolved to embody the most dystopic tendencies of their chosen economic systems, kek. South Korea, which is mostly Seoul as far as economic, political and social centers are concerned, seems like some parody of FF7's Midgar-centered capitalist cyberpunk world. And North Korea is just 1984 and Animal Farm but actually irl. Koreans seem to be speedrunning dystopia regardless of whatever they choose as their ideology.
>>18449852It's...a reference....to a game called Disco Elysium...>>18449798 was a copypasta of one of the lines by the game's main antagonist...who's a commie serial killer incel that never got over the fact that his revolution failed....and blames it all on the "bourgeosie"Like, Jesus, what a way to say you live under a rock, do I have to spell it out for you?
>>18449863>Disco ElysiumOh god the troons won
>>18449816I'm not a wumao. I mean that in China the war was seen as a turning point after the century of humiliation, where they finally faced the evil imperialists.
>>18448657because it's in color you retard
>>18448555Wait for a bunch of mutt cope
>>18450238>AVERAGE chinese beats AVERAGE americandamn, are we sure there's not something dragging down the average?
>>18449812Yes.
>>18448665The Korean War is also ignored because it lacks psyop potential. It doesn't reinforce the boomer post-WWII mythos in any significant way.
>>18448555The war technically never ended
>>18449812>Why was that period of music so forgotten?other anons already covered that; early '50s music is kinda forgettable. It's not that distinguishable from '40s music, and mid-late '50s music blows it out of the water.
