Is American history education racist and Eurocentric? Thinking about it, I know very little about Chinese, Indian and Middle Eastern civilizations even though they are much older than the Greek and Roman civilizations. I was only taught Chinese civilization for about two weeks in middle school and nothing since then.
>>18449056Mycenean Greeks predate China
>>18449056No, Europeans are too hard on themselves. They say the Trojan war might not have happened becaus Athena shows up in Homer but then in the next breath swear that Ashurniqada IX was heckin' true and valid because his tablet described him as "chosen of Enki, master of the four corners of the Earth (semites believed in flat Earth), victor of a thousand great battles, damager of the demon" without a second thought.It's actually weird how little European history Americans are taught, given that everything about America echoes from and reverberates into Europe. America was literally founded as a series of European colonies- primarily as an Anglo-Saxon realm space, an exterior heimat for the Germanic peoples from the sceptered isle.
>>18449056Nah every country in its primary education system only teaches really about themselves. I think America actually does more to teach about the rest of the world with how we have those few weeks on other civilizations in middle school and Spanish class teaches some Latin American history
>>18449056American history roots are from western countries for majority of the time. Nowadays, its ~60% white, 20% hispanics 10% blacks and ~8% asians. Depending on state by state. In California, it makes sense that there's more emphasis on Asian-Mexican history. In New York or North Carolina? Asian or Hispanic history dont make a lot of sense. Black history make sense.
>>18449056Yes and it should be, virtually all relevant history happened in Europe
>>18449058No they don't.Erlitou (Xia dynasty) pre dates Mycenea and Shang dynasty is contemporaneous with MyceneaAlso Greeks lost knowledge of Linear B script but current Chinese characters are direct descendant of Shang dynasty Oracle Bone characters which Chinese deciphered themselves.China also retained accurate knowledge of ancient Shang history in the Shiji.
>>18449099Xia is highly mythologized 2000 years after the fact by the Han to claim rightful descent and the mandate of heaven. The real Xia is a small series of settlements near the yellow river like the Nile had pre Egypt. We have nothing outside that on them. The are basically Chinese Atlantis. The Shiang is interesting but they don't matter as much as the Qin and Han which are important to the concept of China as a nation. Also China despite how cool it is doesnt affect the western world as much in its ancient history as Greece and Rome do. Greece and Rome basically invented the modern concept of a western society and power at a large scale. Also information of China in general Is either out of date by decades or behind university pay walls most high school teachers dont have the ability to access. So its a lack of material to even teach as well.
>>18449058Bodied that Chang keek
>>18449931>Also China despite how cool it is doesnt affect the western world as much in its ancient history as Greece and Rome do. Greece and Rome basically invented the modern concept of a western society and power at a large scale.Greece got its alphabet from Semitic phonecians and learned its mathematics from Semitic Babylonia which is why it's base 60 for minutes and 360 degrees in a circle>The Shang is interesting but they don't matter as much as the Qin and Han which are important to the concept of China as a nation.China has direct continuity fron Shang dynasty in its script, language, and historical knowledge of the dynastyChina developed its own indigenous mathematics in the Zhou dynasty.Classical Greece totally forgot Mycenean Linear B and its memory of Mycenea is limited to oral legends about the Trojan war.Classical Greek language and modern Greek is from later Doric Greeks not Mycenea
Eurocentric sure, but certainly not racist. The Bight of Biafra should be spoken of, but I don't see what else they need to talk about.
>>18449056>Thinking about it, I know very little about Chinese, Indian and Middle Eastern civilizations even though they are much older than the Greek and Roman civilizations.Indian and Middle Eastern cultures are also derived from the same civilization.It's only East Asia and the horse-fuckers that constitute a genuinely separate civilisation. Brahmi script comes from Aramaic, itself ultimately from the hieroglyphs.All the sultan's palaces in all those fairytales have Roman domes out of the ass.Everyone uses the same Greek weekday cycle.Everyone's writing shit in Arabic numerals, themselves originating somewhere in India.Really Western Europe is your Roman (minor Greek and Persian) culture, Eastern Europe is your Greco-Roman (minor Persian) culture, Near East is your Greco-Romano-Persian culture and as you step further, the Roman influence starts losing precedence until you get to Indonesia and you have to look really closely to see both the Roman and Greek influence while Persian is brutally obvious. But in the end it's the same shit all over the place, it's just very internally varied.Meanwhile Chinese culture existed as a completely separate civilization. Their only noticable point of contact was Buddhism (and all of its Greco-Persian legacy) but otherwise they might as well have been aliens while Afghans, Indonesians, Malians or Swedes all sang songs about Alexander the Great's exploits and shit like that.
>>18450212Innacurate graph, West Africa had proto writing system called Nsibidi that dates back to at least 400 AD
>>18450212A writing system is not a civilization. Indus River Valley Civilization had no continuity whatsoever with Egypt or Sumer.
>>18450491Yeah, but Indus Valley Civilisation also didn't leave a mark on history. It's like Çatalhöyük in Mesopotamian context.The Indian writing system, their religious system, their astronomy and astrology, their philosophy and law, morality, clothing, art and food are all derived from Mesopotamia and Egypt and building on top of it.At least to the best of my knowledge.
>>18449056Why do ethnic minorities like to project their persecution complex onto us?
>>18450212>>18449056Eurocentric, absolutely. Not sure why you called out China, India, and the Middle East when in my experience the US education system spent a decent amount of time on themThe real problem is how the Precolumbian Americas got literally just a single page or less in most textbooks, despite the geographic connection and therefore an arguably high amount of indirect influence they had: Shit like Aztec history obviously played a big role in how the Conquest of Mexico played out and by extension on Spanish colonalism of the US and by extension other colonialist efforts by later European powers. I don't think that's obviously less relevant to US history then a lot of shit from Classical History or the Middle Ages that does get taught about, to reply to >>18449096 and >>18449097
>>18450007You didn't address my claim at all. That modern Western society has it's roots deep into Greco-Roman tradition.
Should've taken AP World
>>18450777>Greco-Roman tradition.Heh, more like an idealized version of it. For most of its history Greece was ruled my oligarchies and monarchies, democracy was a brief experience limited to Athens and his allies and was very different from modern "democracy".
>>18450824Was it really limited just to Athens? In Mesoamerica our only confirmed example of a democracy/republic is Tlaxcala but there's other potential candidates and more egalitarian societies more broadly, even if not democractic ones, seems to have been a wider phenomena for some city-states, my read on it has been that Tlaxcala was likely not the only one with it's political setupIt'd be weird if in Greece Athens also wasn't just the most prominent example of a wider trend even if it wasn't especially common
>>18449069>sceptered islecool term
>>18450839Well technically forms of democracy in the ancient sense existed in ancient India, some parts of Africa,Herodotus claimed that democracy was invented in Persia not Greece where it was universaly hated by philosophers because it gave power to the poor.
>>18450839Remember this is democracy (every single citizen votes on every single issue), not a republic (common all around the Mediterranean, elective democracy where people only select representatives for short-term rule).
>>18450654>The Indian writing system, their religious system, their astronomy and astrology, their philosophy and law, morality, clothing, art and food are all derived from Mesopotamia and Egypt and building on top of it.MEDS, NOW
>>18451392>Remember this is democracy (every single citizen votes on every single issue)Most decisions in Athens were taken through sortition which was considered the most democratic method whereas voting was viewed oligarchic>not a republic (common all around the Mediterranean, elective democracy where people only select representatives for short-term rule). In ancient Rome, the term republic simply referred to a state. In early modern Europe, it referred to any state not ruled by a monarch, and only became synonymous with "indirect democracy" after the mid-18th century for ideological reasons.
>>18449056Idk, we completely skipped over the holocaust when learning about WW2 in my country...like the Jews weren't even mentioned once...we spent more time learning about the tiny details about some other local war than the entirety of WW2.
