Why did Western civilization become secular?
>>18449720Because God doesn't exist and now we must face reality
>>18449724Both atheism and agnosticism are naturalist positions thus not creationist positions. There are only 2 available ontological primitives for how the universe/existence arrived (naturalism or creationism), TRUE DICHOTOMY NO POSSIBLE 3RD POSITION - disjunctive syllogismBoth atheism and agnosticism are positions of non-positions, the difference is agnostics say they dont have enough information to make the callBoth positions are still in contradiction with conservation of mass, 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, and quantum mechanics. The law of entropy proves matter and energy had a starting point, and isn't infiniteThe existence of information is not matter nor energy. All information is traced back to an intelligent source>atheism debunked by science>God is empirically and scientifically proven
Liberal thinkers came to the natural conclusion that freeing one's self from a high authority like a monarch also included freeing themself from organized religion's influence.Consider how much of a shit hole the Christian and Muslim nations that still entirely orbit around religion in the modern world are and you will quickly realize that they were onto something when they did that.
>>18449720catholic boys getting fucked in the ass
>>18449738Nope, God doesn't exist, you're not going to heaven when you die, you're just a stupid worthless evolved ape, get used to it
>>18449738Take ur meds anon I beg
>>18449745>>18449747"Nuh uh" response isn't a rebuttal or refutation
>>18449748If you wanna prove us wrong so much why don't you go upstairs and meet him and then come back and tell us about it, otherwise stfu and accept that we can't prove it
>>18449720The printing press, the gravest mistake of the past millenium.
>>18449738Cope. You're going to die one day and your consciousness will cease to exist.
>>18449738Interesting point. Too bad creationism is just religious apologetics pretending to be scientific, and is almost never intellectually honest because of that
>>18449720>cameras are invented>suddenly miracles stop happeningreally makes you think...
>>184497201648 when it decided that wars of religion were stupid
>>18449782Hey, Our Lady of Zeitoun happened after the invation of photography!Curiously, every picture that shows anything resembling a human or animal figure is a painting sold to tourists, and the only actual (blurry and nondescript) photos of the lightshow come from one single Egyptian journalist, and apart from him not a single spectator out of the tens of thousands present bothered to attempt to take their own photos.
>>18449720White people are inherently too predisposed to individualism to remain spiritual in modern societies, since spiritual experiences are inherently communal and require natural groupthinking.
>>18449738The universe has no beginning, it is both infinite and eternal.
>>18449720>atheism>panentheism>hermeticism>gnosticismI hate the demiurge.
We needed to change into republics because monarchies weren't working
>>18449720Your image has a clue. Bible studies eventually concluded parts had to be wrong. Contradictions historical events thst did not occur for example Herod's mass murder.Epistemology pushed us away from absolute truth even being obtainable.Darwin and other science made creationism create more questions than it solved.
>>18449720The corruption of the church and it being in bed with every monarchy meant it had to have its influence curbstomped
>Protestantism fractures into a million sects>They can't all dominate and risk being run over by Catholics if they don't unite>they agree to structure society around a nondescript lowest common denominator form of Christianity>this works out pretty well for them as politics becomes structured around actual fundamental realities of governance rather than nebulous spiritual bullshit>Catholics see this and get jealous>They realize they're being fucked over by their corrupt monarchs and try to constrain them>The Church supports the monarchy in exchange for preferable treatment and tells the plebs that its Satanic to try to curb the power of your king>they have to go full anti-clerical to get rid of them and move farther than the protestants by getting rid of anything that even hints at religion in public life
>>18449720The mating press, the greatest invention of the last millennium
>>18449724how do you prove reality
>>18449720Christianity accidentally unplugged itself with monotheist transcendentalism. It was only a matter of time.
>>18449720People doesn't even realize that the Atonement (Correction) is Jesus himself.
>>18449720They lack a fear of the divine, they lack a sense of wonder, awe, has evaporated with technology, the world is no longer mystical.They have succumb to the barbarity of self reflection, no longer asserting themselves upon the world but instead reflecting and questioning themselves.
>>18450349>they should fear Love (God)They should fear their egos
>>18449720More important question is why Burgerland is such backward fundamentalist fanatic shithole?
>>18449720The rise of sciences such as physics, astronomy, and evolutionary biology.Confrontation with different types of skeptical philosophy.Development of a "scientific" method for history; In this light, it becomes clear what a historical process the creation of the Bible was.One of the most important point: The discouvery of America, a entire continent unknown to the antique wisedom.Just imagine being alive in this time. A printer has just published an edition of Sextus Empiricus. At the university and other places that deal with calendars, they discuss Copernicus and Kepler. Then, you hear fantastic stories about a place unknown to the world of antiquity.Sure, there is no logical exclusion, all of this can be true at the same time, yet you start to doubt what you have been taught.
While it is not impossible to combine religion with scientific pursuits, as seen in many examples of extraordinarily sharp scientists having belief in divine while advancing the mankind, most people view world in a more black-or-white literalist way. This presents a cultural crossroads where scientific advancement leads to secularization because the alternative to it is bible-thumping masses that inhibits the ability of the society to compete and stay on the edge of economic and technological progress.Theoretically you could have a pious society that is just as advanced as a secular society in where it matters, but in practice, nope.
>>18450396Filled with backwater hillbillies, black baptists and mexicans.
>>18450420>The rise of sciences such as physics, astronomy, and evolutionary biology.Nearly all the great thinkers and founders of these respective fields were deeply religious men. The idea that rational, empirical thought necessarily clashes with religion can only be accepted in the mind of ignorant retards or people with an agenda.
>>18450136Through science as it exists in fact.
>>18450136like>>18451049said, you use the scientific method, assuming you're referring to the colloquial use of the term "prove" because science doesn't seek to prove anything, just reduce uncertainty down to nearly zero. As the old adage coined by George Box goes "All models are wrong, but some are useful". And I think when trying to communicate what science is to people who are anti-science it's more useful to approach it this way because it makes science feel a lot less like a religion. Science and the scientific method are practical for approaching real world problems that a fixed religious canon simply cannot. Scientists aren't just pulling theories out of their asses, they're utilizing data in a practical way
>>18449720Religious pluralism and the enlightenment.
>>18451053Here's the way it's actually works my guy just to correct you and the powers that be don't really want you to know thisIf you claim that science is a conduct of logic and evidence then youre correct, but you're not referring to results or cause/effect. Science does prove things. "Scientific evidence" comes from conduct of experiment which are the results. Technically they are scientific proofs. But proofs exist in different manners: philosophical proofs, mathematical proofs, and legal proofs. I am also not claiming science or proofs to be the only way to arrive to truth, there are other means they are just distinct from one another
>>18450663>Economic and technological progressThose are bad things. We should either bring back the dark ages or let robots take over the world
>>18449739>Consider how much of a shit hole the Christian and Muslim nations that still entirely orbit around religion in the modern world are and you will quickly realize that they were onto something when they did that.Modern society is trash and most of you are better off dead.
>>18449745>>18449747>>18449756This bugman LARP is old and tired.
>>18450420>astronomyliterally a made up science with no useful predictive power or probable explanations for phenomenon >evolutionary biologyabiogenesis is fake
>>18451135I remember being 14 too. You'll grow out of it.
>>18451141>literally a made up science with no useful predictive power or probable explanations for phenomenonSolar eclipses and harvests and navigation alone prove you wrong.
