New world warfare
>>18450642why did every society on earth come up with the concept of waving little flags around while they killed each other en masse
>>18450791Is this a real question? It's to identify where your units were on a chaotic battlefield. Both sides respected eachothers standard-bearers because friendly fire is literally in nobodies best interest
>>18450791because it made it easier for field commander to see where their units were
>>18450791How do you coordinate huge blocks of men without radios?
>>18450791Quick way to give commands over large distances. In fact there are accounts where standard bearers are a major factor for defeat/victory cause of the "rally around the flag" effect.
>>18450642Do you have any more information on inca/andean warfare? I recently began reading into this subject.
>>18451791What do you want to know?Btw, whoever made the image chose to interpret it that way, but the quote is somewhat ambiguous and a bit hard to interpret as to whether it refers to something like a very large shield, a large mantle, or something in between. The pre-Inca Wari are well known for their preference of large shields (pic related), but not on that scale, as far as we know. A mantle-like covering would be easier to transport and maneuver, probably it would protect them in a way similar to the textile covering attached to the lower part of Inca shields, which helped deflect projectiles or reduce their velocity, especially since rounded projectiles were the main type of projectile used in combat.
>>18450791I have a theory I pulled out of my ass where the first semi organized men planted some kind of standard or carved totem into ground they had gained during a battle so you knew where the front was.
>>18451894Who knows, but as Atahualpa was arriving for the meeting in Cajamarca, one of his men went ahead, rushed to the usnu, and set up a pike with a square flag or standard attached, symbolically marking the plaza area.
>>18451851Are those supposed to be iron spear tips or did the artist just not check what stone spears actually look like
>>18450795Not at all, capturing an enemy's standard was peak honor.
Do you guys have pics of Inca castles you can share? Google is fucking useless for finding them, it's useless for almost everything now
>>18451851Similarly to what the other Anon asked: do you know of any good recostructions about Inca fortresses (or their architectute in general)? The best I could find is about Sacsayhuamán and Cusco as a whole. See: https://www.fertur-travel.com/blog/2013/the-virtual-reality-of-inca-architecture-sacsayhuaman/7926/https://www.setopant.com/visualizing-cusco/>Hombres-de-armasIs that the spanish version of Osprey's Men-at-Arms? I couldn't find an issue about the Inca or andean societes that is published by Osprey.
behold, the macahvitl, a prodigious stone sword in the capable hands of a Nahva bvll
>>18450642It was great, I think the Incan army with its modular ethnicity based divisions is a very interesting contrast with the way the Meso-Americans did warfare, with more conventional army structures, professional warrior classes, etc. I wonder how complex Andean siegeworks were, given that they were very prolific fortification builders. Much more than meso-americans, who iirc only built walls and occasionally towers. Do you know anything about it?>>18451671Guy who runs really fast going back and forth. The same way everyone coordinated battles before radio. >>18452554Post the real one from the seville archives.
>>18451671flags(visual signals), horns etc(audio signals), messengers
>>18450791Aliens must have taught them it's the only explanation except Atlantis.
>>18451989Well the Inca did have an extensive culture of metalworking regarding copper, bronze, silver and gold. Regarding weaponry many maces were made out of copper, bronze or stone. And apparently they also had metal spear tips but I could find no surviving artifacts of those. >pic relSilver Mace from the Inca dated to the 15th or 16th century
>>18450642>>18451851These niggos had a cool aesthetic. Shame it's literally never portrayed in media ever since most people just assume they were identical to the Mexican natives
>>18452650they also had metal armour, and jewelry was common. Metalworking in the Andes was about 3000 years old at the time of the Inca empire, they had lots of metal
>>18452955I wanna see an apocalypto style film set during the civil war with the Spanish showing up in the middle of it.
>>18452957I dont want to see any depiction of the Spanish in Peru ever. I already hate what happened in Mesoamerica but reading about the shit the Spanish got up to in Peru genuinely makes my stomach turn and I have seen some ROUGH shit in my life. They were genuinely some of the most evil and vile men to have ever lived
>ugh.. these conquistadors are genuinely some of the most evil and vile men to have ever lived>how dare they punish me for ripping living hearts from men's chests>I am such a victim
>>18452121I have a lot of pics of pre-Incan (wari) fortresses
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>>18452966>depiction of the Aztecs in response to a comment about PeruI've still never met a conquistador defender who could get even basic historical facts right
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>>18453028spicniards are retarded moor rapebaby subhumans, thankfully they're going extinct due to their cuck-tier fertility rates and MENA immigration
What about Inca or Andean armor? The armor and helmets of the guys in >>18451851 look like eastern units from Rome Total War to me. Especially the "aventail" of the guy on the left. And the armor of the guy in >>18452955 seems like they were inspired by european designs.>>18453016All of your pictures are very nice, thx! What's the purpose of this double wall here? Reminds me of the Broch towers in Scotland. And again; do you know of any good reconstructions?
>>18453243>seems like they were inspired by european designsIt's important to remember that weapon and armour design is a science. The designs are just similar because both cultures came to the same conclusion that they're effective designs
>>18453243Andean armor was mostly made up of thickly weaved cotton armor (very similar to gambesons and similar armor used in Mesoamerica). The helmets were often made of hard wood like the shields, but could also be made of textiles or bronze. High ranking soldiers might have some form of breastplate and "vambrace". The Inca were pretty interesting in particular on how they dealt with their multicultural army (and society in general). You were legally required to wear your culture's clothing, and in the army you fought in your culture's unit. You were expected to fight how your people are good at fighting, and were equipped for it - so an Inca army probably looked very diverse in terms of armor and equipment
>>18453065Usually those posters are either Americans or self hating Mexicans
>>18453011>>18453023>>18453025>>18453064What was their strategic purpose?Were these buildings sieged? Do we know how they did it if they were?
>>18453401They are called pukaras, they are roughly equivalent in function to hillforts in other areas of the world
>>18450642If only they had survived the initial invasion. They would have been great at pike and shot.
>>18453416Ah. Thanks. Are they related to the Incan Tambo system?
>>18453423In the sense that they are both part of the larger logistics system, yes. I believe there are instances of tambos and pukaras / kallankas in the same locations
>>18453064this is kuelap?Ive been there, its absolutely insane. those walls enclose about 6 hectares of land, with more than a km of walls. and they FILLED the whole thing with rubble and soil. the floor level inside is the top of the walls. they constructed a terrace elevated 20m above a mountain ridge, then set another smaller terrace on top of that, another 10m up. iirc the total volume is more than the great pyramid. the entrance is a narrow cut in the wall, leading up with a pretty steep slope. perfect defensive position. rough terrain around and you can just toss down stones on attackers, that need to assault in a single file up the entrance or try to scale he wall. was conquered by the inca anyways and then abandoned when the spaniards arrived.
>>18452959wasn't most of the damage done by unintentional disease transmission anyways
>>18453440Sort of. What made the conquistadors in Peru so awful is that they basically just roamed around raping murdering and pillaging wherever they went without real objectives, ideals, or goals. Despite what revisionists say there was absolutely no intention of "civilizing" or "uplifting" people, not even conquering them really, just robbing and abusing them. They were even intentionally sabotaging peace negotiations by being scumbags and burning the lands of the negotiating nobles or raping their wives or whatever else, really just awful indefensible people. There's a reason the Spanish crown eventually sent men to kill most of themBut what made them LETHAL, was the diseases, which were still largely their fault desu. While epidemics were inevitable, the initial mega-epidemics were made a billion times worse than they should have been by the Spanish fucking with everyone's supply of food and medicine, shipping people around as slaves, and forcing them to stay in cramped unsanitary conditions, massively overworking and underfeeding them, etc. The silver mines in Peru were so lethal that it was common for locals to have believed they were portals to hell.
>>18453433What purpose did the Pukaras serve? Border protection? Bandit control?>>18453457The Mexican conquistadors (and all others) were basically all like this.
