[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vm / vmg / vr / vrpg / vst / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / pw / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / vt / wsg / wsr / x / xs] [Settings] [Search] [Mobile] [Home]
Board
Settings Mobile Home
/his/ - History & Humanities


Thread archived.
You cannot reply anymore.


[Advertise on 4chan]


File: IMG_0052.jpg (1.69 MB, 3609x2788)
1.69 MB JPG
You are out in charge of the British colonial forces and government in North America in 1775 (you can move this a few years back if you want)

You can see the revolutionary war is imminent

Your goal is to either

A) quash the rebellion

Or

B) manage to keep as much of the thirteen colonies under British control as possible, so the independent USA doesn’t possess all thirteen colonies (presumably whatever part is kept British is merged with Canada assuming it’s contagious)

What’s your tactics and general strategy? Both militarily and politically (e.g. potentially getting native allies, dividing the revolutionary forces by perhaps offering certain concessions to split them internally, any plans to nullify French reinforcements somehow)

Yku have total command, and complete permission from the crown to make any decision you want basicslly. For the duration of the revolutionary war and the stabilisation period you’re basically the dictator of British North America.

Optional Hard mode: you don’t have the prescient knowledge of history to aid you, and can only know what’s feasible for you to know as this top commander and dictator of British North America (e.g. you can’t just know Paul Revere will specifically be able to warn the colonists so you have an assassin waiting on the road to gut him)

What’s the best you can do?
>>
>>18451713
Fucking auto correct

You are PUT in charge of the British colonial forces

whatever part is kept British is merged with Canada assuming it’s CONTIGUOUS
>>
File: Mutiny.png (2.05 MB, 1448x1086)
2.05 MB PNG
>What’s your tactics and general strategy? Both militarily and politically
I mutiny and put my men under the charge of General George Washington. Then I write an angry letter in big exaggerated letters to the King, calling him out for being the Bank of England's whore. I would then smoke hemp with Thomas Jefferson and have one of his slave girls.
>>
Negotiations were still viable early on, at least with enough of the important factions and founding fathers, to make rebellion much less popular.

John Dickinson for example was arguing for no taxation without representation, Recognition of colonial assemblies’ authority over internal taxation and continued loyalty to the British crown.

It’s interesting historical revisionism promoted by nationalistic education, the idea that American colonial identity was solid enough at this point that founding fathers and colonists considered themselves “American”. They didn’t, most still considered themselves British.

Paul Revere you mentioned, his famous quote “the British are coming!” Is apocryphal, he didn’t actually say that, because it wouldn’t have made sense to the colonists he was warning at the time, the colonists largely considered THEMSELVES British still. He almost certainly said something like “the regulars are coming!”

Basically if you do have total power from the king/parliament to renegotiate terms then you can alter the fundamental agreements between the colonies and parliament to establish more autonomy. Solve the major issues.

There’d still be some hardliners who want Revolution, but they’d be outnumbered by the moderates who feel they’ve won without the cost of war (or indeed, the economic and militarily safety risk of separating from the British empire)

Fundamentally I still think over time there’d be too much friction between the colonies and the goals and aims of britain,

E.g. what happens when the Americans want to expand west, even though the British signed treaties with the natives saying they csn keep those lands? Obviously the settlers don’t give a fuck and will push forward

What about when they have conflict with Spanish colonies and French colonies? Is Britain going to really let their colony drag them repeatedly into major wars with global empires over some provincial colonial disputes.
>>
File: 1775599738741420s.jpg (2 KB, 78x125)
2 KB JPG
>>18451713
>I promptly surrender myself to the Germans hoping for Aryan expansion to the new lands across the ocean, bearing no pathetic chhildren of my own knowing, that this Globe belongs rightfully to the Ariches and them only.
After Victory over the British Navy the world conquest turns to Deutsche hands, and the Human races (Germanics and Scandinavians) live happily everafter, while the Anglo-Saxons, Slavs, Indians, Hindus and Blacks are carefully castrated.
\o
The East Coast is renamed new Prussia, the Midwest the new Hannover and the West Coast is renamed new Baden.
>>
>>18451736
Plus economically and in terms of geopolitical weight there comes w point where the US colonies become mor powerful than Britain. Independence them becomes obviously fen if they symbolically keep the British monarch.

Only solution I can see to this, is some weird Portugal-Brazil style arrangement. Where at a certain point in the tipping scale or power, the monarch moves to the US. And maybe instead of Washington DC being the political capital it’s also the royal residence, where the palaces are for the royal family as well as the American Parliament nearby.

Would b interesting arrangement for sure. Probably would see a Revolution in Britain eventually to turn it into a republic or something instead
>>
>>18451713
Couldn’t New England at least be consolidated? Would supercharge early Canada with industry and population density. And cripple the USA Because it rips out a big chunk of their industrialised non agrarian dominated section

ALSO this would make the slave states outnumber the free states. The US would lean much harder into slavery as their economic model via southwestern expansion. A fundamentally weaker USA with shitty industry, a volatile demographic where you increasingly nav slaves numbering in the millions who will rebel eventually. And this kind of economy relies on exports to industrial powers like…, Britain.
>>
>>18451756
New England was actually a major hotbed of revolutionary radicalism. British would have had more luck trying to keep the south even if it’s not connected to Canada. Securing the Mississipi in the future would be helpful in expanding a British American south for major trade expansion. Plus screwing over the north.

Economically it would work well too. Industrialising the south is just difficult due to climate really. So they keep exporting cotton to Britain, Britain send back industrial products in return, incouding artillery, rifles etc. lot of strategic depth in the south to defend against a future Us invasion too (plus I think th US would be pretty crazy to attempt an invasion of either the south or Canada when it would create a two front war)

Only sticking point is I’m not sure the south would be willing to abolish slavery as easily as the real British empire did. It’s too heavily embedded into their whole economic model and even culture, society and sense of hierarchy. Compensating them for slaves is one thing, how do you compensate for societal earthquakes?
>>
>>18451713
I ask them politely to reconsider
>>
Why not have a union like the Portugal-Brazil one?
>>
>>18451713
(PART 1/2)

1.) Fight aggressively for New York, a loyalist stronghold
2.) Offer special rights and privileges to Loyalists who launch raids, engage in sabotage, seize land and assets from Patriots. Let them keep any land seized from people they can reasonably prove were Patriots
3.) Savannah, Wilmington, and Norfolk were all Loyalist strongholds in the South. Use them as bases of operations for the region, appease demographics likely to be Loyalist.
4.) Offer guaranteed freedom and perhaps land to any slaves owned by rebels
5.) Avoid actions which could draw the ire of populations living in neutral areas such as New Jersey and the Carolinian Hinterland, appease them to the greatest extent possible
>>
>>18452521
(PART 2/2)

6.) Take away as many motivating factors for joining the Patriots as possible. Excessive taxes, restrictions on rights, generally unpopular policies. Specifically in the regions where such policies most affect the people living there.
7.) Offer guarantees to neutral and allied Indian tribes that agree to fight Patriots that their lands will be recognized as theirs for the future, while promising to ignore seizure of land from native tribes who refuse to fight loyalists post war. So, if you are a Loyalist who fights in the war, you’d have the right to settle westward and seize land from natives who refused to aid the British, tribes which would not receive the same rights, protections, and privileges as those who chose to help the British.
8.) Offer amnesty to any Patriots who agree to give up the fight and surrender to regular check-ups to ensure they haven’t rejoined or aided the revolution in any way until the war is over. If Patriots who seek amnesty choose to switch sides or can provide valuable information, don’t just give them amnesty, but additional rewards, do as much as possible to shield them from Patriot reprisals so people don’t become hesitant about defecting.
9.) Ultimately, if there is one colony, or even one region of a colony that simply cannot be subdued, that area can be given independence if a prolonged siege doesn’t break it, only if a population exchange is agreed upon. For example, if a significant portion of Virginia simply insists on secession, let them, but send all remaining Patriots there, and give Loyalist refuge in other colonies.
>>
>>18451713
I’m much more brisk than the British actually were. They had too light a touch. Burn all their cities to the ground, kill their captured leaders, make noncompliance a death sentence



[Advertise on 4chan]

Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.