How do Christians cope with the fact that the theory of Jesus being the son of a Roman soldier named Pantera has been proven correct by Pantera’s grave being found? We can even confirm he was of the right age and unit to have knocked up Mary around the time Jesus was conceived?
>>18452667God be like: Hear me out.
>>18452667Panthers represent Dionysus and resurrection, so there is a link there.Rome is founded on the same story as Moses, so a soldier of Rome could be tied back to the same holy spirit of Moses floating down a river in a basket toworda tree, and wandering (roaming) through the wilderness. The roman soldier Pantera is just an attempt to add more depth and understanding to the "holy spirit" that entered into the mother of Jesus. It was not literally "some random soldier". Just like God is not literally "a man with a beard floating around in the sky". The "roman soldier" myth is just an attempt to further define the holy spirit. But its not necessary, and It mostly just confuses people, which is why the story is buried and mostly forgotten.Something else to consider. Mary (the mother of Jesus) is a virgin, and the word for virgin is "Parthenon".
>>18452667And you can show us this grave?
The name Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera is interesting, because each piece of the name has etymology tied to the languages above Jesus.Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: jesus of nazareth, the king of the jews. Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek. The chief priests of the Jews protested to Pilate, “Do not write ‘The King of the Jews,’ but that this man claimed to be king of the Jews.”Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.”
Tiberius Julius Abdes PanteraAbdes is a Latinized form of a Semitic name, which indicates that Pantera had a Phoenician or perhaps Jewish background, originating from Sidon, near the Galilee.So his Given, semitic name, is "servant of God".This all ties back to the holy spirit. So this "historic figure" again, is a representation of the holy spirit. Combining all etymologies, with a source that goes all the way back to a Semitic source that means "Servent of God".
>>18452667The core appeal of the Pantera narrative is to construct a materialist, non-spiritual explanation for the birth of Jesus, but I never understood why Pantera is latched onto in particular. The most we have is that Pantera may have been in Judea around the time Jesus may have been born, but he's hardly unique in that regard. It feels convenient that the biological father of Jesus would have a coincidental statue commemorating him for an unrelated reason. It's just as likely, if we're being materialist, that Jesus' father could have been any other Roman, or Jew, or even just Joseph himself. There's no special evidence that points to Pantera even having a relationship to someone named Mary.
>>18452667We have no evidence that Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera had any connection with the Pantera alleged to have been Jesus' biological father. Pantera was a common adopted name among Roman soldiers, there's nothing special about it. Other than the fact he was from Sidon, which is somewhat close to Nazareth (about 60 miles), there's nothing to suggest he ever travelled there or was even stationed in the Middle East at all at the times Jesus would have been conceived.
>>18452688It's based on a statue found in GermanyWe don't know whether the man was ever stationed in Judea to begin withSome Jew said that Jesus was the son of a Roman soldier who had the same name, but Pantera was a fairly common nameIt's the equivalent of making some shit up about how Jiggaboo Johnson raped George Washington, and then 100 years later some retard assumes this is true because indeed there was a man named Jiggaboo Johnson living somewhere in the world at the timeBasically resentful Jews make some shit up to piss Christians off, and then it gets repeated by resentful atheists in the modern day
>>18452728If we are looking for a Roman who touched Mary, I would say it was Vespasian. He obviously got his ideas into the writing of Josephus Ben Matthias. But joseph was the active father, guiding the waking dream. Abdes the Panther seems like a red herring, or Easter egg, that points back to the holy spirit.
>>18452667I do like how dense the name is. There is a lot to unpack about this avatar of the holy spirit.Tiberius Julius Abdes PanteraThere are references to a river, the king of Rome, the servant of God, Dionysus, Bacchus, and Mishna. These concepts tied to the holy spirit are stimulating.Its a very interesting name. Like a rosette stone of cultures. Cross polinating shared virtues.Its a shame that some modern thinkers just use it as a form of slander, and interpret the name with vanity, rather than unpack its meaning. Seek the gold beyond the silver.
>>18452667>>18452688>>18452740Pantera was particularly given as a romanized name for the previous soldiers and priestly orders belonging to Cleopatra VI. Most of them got spread out all over the place, like the furthest away frontlines from Egypt, but some of them remained as servants of the Ptolemaic family. This is where Juba II comes in, which is a topic every Talmudthumper jew hates to the core of their being.
>>18452791>Cleopatra VIVII*
Dragons put all of their gold under the copper and silver. This is so that when thieves enter the cave, they will scoop up all the lesser tokens, become burdened, and never get deep enough to find the gold. Look closer, and dig deeper, and you might even find a ruby, or some pearls.
>>18452791That's nice, but can we see the grave?
>>18452745Vespasian is extremely unlikely as he was born more than a decade after the most commonly accepted birth dates for Jesus
>>18452812I view these historic figures as egregores, personified as individuals, for a purpose. The farther we get from our natural perception, the more blurry things get. Looking at sub atomic particles, we see fields of probability. Looking into the past, we see the same. Ranges. I don't doubt that Jesus was a man who truly suffered and died, but a million people is a statistic, which is why we focus on the one man, whose individual passion can be related to as a tragedy.Vespasian and Josephus wrote their story around the same time as the Gospels. So all of this is connected to egregores and zeitgeists explaining real passions that were active at the time. If we are talking about a holy spirit, its not going to be one person. But, if we are looking for a Roman who touched Mary, I think Vespasian is a candidate.
>>18452728>construct a materialist, non-spiritual explanationThere's nothing to construct. That part is already true. The only question is whose bastard he is. He obviously isn't Joseph's because otherwise this story never would have been concocted in the first place. And if Mary had just been cheating with a jew, she would have been more likely to fess up instead of accidentally inventing a religion to cover up her adultery. So Roman soldier is the most likely candidate.
>>18452809no
>>18452688It’s in Bingerbrück, Germany.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius_Julius_Abdes_Pantera
>>18452740>George WashingtonIn another thread I saw someone claim Pantera was related to Tiberius because they share a praenomen which is the equivalent of saying George Washington and George III were related because both were named George.
>>18452667RESPECTWALK (with the Lord)ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME? (yes Lord please don't yell I'm just asking a question)
>>18452728>but I never understood why Pantera is latched onto in particular.The name Pantera for a roman soldier who supposedly impregnated Mary comes from the Talmud, which in turn likely chose that name as a cheeky rabbinic pun on the greek term for virgin birrh, Parthenon.
>>18453101Pantera is not a pun on Parthenos, it was an actual name used at the time as evidenced by Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera
>>18452838A Roman soldier with a Semitic given name. Lulz. Ok.
Where is the holy spirit going with this?
>>18453127The implication is that whichever rabbi came up with the tale chose the name Pantera because it was close to Parthenon
The soul of Jesus does not enter the motherIt does so in the first couple of days of the birth of the babyOtherwise it would be her who becomes JesusRemember that its all about electromagnetismWhy would baby Jesus need to be downloaded onto the mother when he could just download himself with the baby directly?Father provides half the genes mother provides half the genes Or are you calling the mitochondria God? Even though men also provide it, it just gets killed offWhat exactly is the process of the mother being the receptacle that she is being elevated so much?To the point where people are desperate to even make claims that Jesus fucks his mom?Btw, its all about starsThey're male stars and theyre fuckingJust embrace it already because damn this "side job" is taking too much of my time
>>18452791I've missed you, Juba II Schizoanon
>>18453505It doesn't take that many IQ points to verify that Juba II was adopted by Caesar & Augustus,- but it apparently takes a whole lot for people to dare to give a shit about him.At this point it'd probably be easier to point out to the average normie that St. Nicholas (Santa Claus) was the Epstein pedo of his era than to admit that several contemporary western popculture franchises have been based on Jesus' father being Juba II / The Massylii being the Messiah lineage.
Zero independent, contemporary evidence of jesus existing. Zero.
RIP Dimebag
>>18453556My thoughts exactly
>>18453139Roman soldiers came from all over. In fact, service in the legions was a common way to obtain citizenship in the first place, so you would see a lot of non-Romans. Maybe not in the upper tiers, but definitely in the rank-and-file.
