Everyone in the world is given the choice to press a red or blue button in a private vote. It is optional. In this one you have three choices: red, blue, or abstention. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button and half of abstainers survive. Which button would you press?If you abstain, you have a 50% chance of dying in the event that blue does not reach a majority. You can either pick red or pick blue. If you pick red you know that anyone who refuses to vote also dies, which means you directly caused the death of half of those who refused to vote. This more neatly captures the difficulties that arise in political conflicts when innocents are caught in the middle. You know that by not picking a side you will almost certainly be killed, but if you pick red you will also kill innocents.What is your choice, /his/?
well everyone just presses the red button. And anyone pressing the blue button is presumably mentally ill in some manner.>but your red button kills the innocentno, they knew the game and they pressed the blue button for god-knows-what-holier-than-thou reason, thats their business. theyre not innocent, theyre retards and we spend way too much effort enabling retards
>>18452816why would anyone pick anything but red?i now its a thought experiment buts its bad
>>18452829The third option is to abstain and have 50/50 odds of dying, but you won't be responsible for anyone else's death.
>>18452830i saw a poll result according to which most people claim they would press blue. Key word being "claim" here, to me the poll truly shows how dishonest people are.
>>18452831lol
Instant red
>>18452816Obviously blue, because this isn't just a prisoner's dilemma, it's billions dying and crashing the global economy. Better to die if blue loses than to live in the hellscape that is the red world.
>>18452856>i'd rather die than live in a world that isn't overpopulated
>>18452816>you directly caused the death of half of those who refused to voteNo, they did that to themselves. This doesn't change the problem of the original question, which is that by pressing blue (or now abstaining) you are needlessly placing yourself at risk.
In theory if everyone pressed red everyone would survive, but in practice some people will accidentally press blue and pressing red is sentencing them to death. The ideal choice is blue. If everyone presses blue then the people who accidentally press red will live and no one will die. However most people in the world are from low trust societies who will likely press red, so achieving this ideal is futile, you must press red so that you get to be one of the few white people left in the world.
There is a room that is nothing but a giant blender, capable of blending humans to death. You are given the choice of either entering this room, or a perfectly safe, empty room. After everyone has voted, the blender is turned on. If >50% of people choose the blender room, the blades will get jammed up and everyone who choose to get in the blender will be saved.Which room will you choose?
I abstain because I'm indifferent to my continued existence as well as the continued existence of half the population.
>>18452816This variant doesn't really add anything to the original. By red logic they have no culpability in either version, blues and abstainers are choosing to put themselves in danger for no reason, and by blue logic the abstainers are just as responsible for "killing" as reds are, because they could have tipped the scales towards blue but didn't.It would work if there was a group of people not given the opportunity to vote, who were automatically placed in the abstainers situation.
>>18452903I was considering it, and I think it would better have a scenario in which abstainers represent a non-elite, non-partisan population. But then it becomes a complex trolley problem more than anything.
Change the question to a gun that’s not loaded vs a gun that’s maybe loaded and I guarantee everyone who says blue is changing their vote
>>18452831Lulz. No. Everyone is suppose to push the red button. Im not guilty for someone else jumping off a cliff.
>>18452816>innocentsThey are not innocent. They chose to put theor life at risk. There is no reason to push anything other than red.
>>18452816abstention kind of makes this moral dilemma trivial to be honest, and is one of the reasons why it's often excluded from this question. I think most people would just abstain their vote because at that point you basically have a 50/50 chance of survival anyways since you cannot possibly predict if bluebros or redchads are going to winHonestly I'd pick blue, it's a win-win. Either I survive or I die and don't have to live on a shitass planet where the majority of people vote entirely for their own self-interest and nobody else's
>>18453200>I'm going to enter this tiger enclosure>please don't, its dangerous and you can quite easily not enter the tiger enclosure>but what if someone else goes in the tiger enclosure? I might have to rescue them>why would anyone go in the tiger enclosure? its full of tigers>if we both go in we'll have more chance of fighting off the tigers and rescuing the person>what person?>the person who might have gone in there>you?>right I'm going in>...>ow I'm being mauled to death by tigers why aren't you helping me? self interested prick
I just realized that there are literally no downsides to picking the red button, everyone who presses it seems to survive in OPs scenario, regardless of who presses blue or not.
>>18452816it was a simple experiment with two choices and you ruined it with autism
>>18452816There needs to be a punishment for red. If you pick red and blue wins, you should be forever marked as someone who picked red.
>>18452816you either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain
Better dead than red. Only Commies pick the red button. Be a patriot, pick blue.
>>18452816Pressing red is the correct option, the only reason you'd choose blue is a mix of being brainwashed into suicidal altruism and wanting to feel like you've "saved" someone by pressing blue which is inherently selfish as simply choosing red is enough to save everyone, they willingly choose to throw themselves into the lion's den and then expect you to jump in with the rest of the idiots to get them out of the risk they've put themselves into and then proceed to call you selfish for not jumping in with the rest of them, really, it's the ultimate death gamble! you and everybody who chooses to press this blue button dies UNLESS enough people are retarded enough to risk their own lives like this! they put themselves in danger then expect you to fix THEIR mess and call you selfish for not wanting to end your life alongside theirs
>>18452833that's because nobody is in any actual danger, they just say they'd choose blue because they want to pretend they're totally altruistic even through they only want to feel like they've "saved" someone, such a oxymoronic version of altruism... they only do this so they can grab the high horse and act like they're holier than thou, when a real altruist wouldnt need to throw themselves into danger nor call the red voters evil and selfish for not wanting to die
>>18453543It has more to do with the phrasing of the scenario than anything else.
>>18453550True, but this only became a discussion because of the blue people parading around online about how you're le heckin evil for choosing red, if they were more self-aware about their own flaws then we wouldn't have to stand up and spell it out for them
>>18452831weak retard
>>18453285that's the point us reds have been making this whole timethere is NO downside to everyone picking red meanwhile if people start picking blue they suddenly start risking lives. people will only die if anyone picks blue
>>18453863If everyone can all agree to press one single button then there's no issue with picking either. The problem is that individuals are given a choice and they'll choose to press different ones. Given that, the majority deciding to press blue is the path that leads to nobody dying
>>18452858You are fucking stupid, overpopulation has nothing to do with this.There are studies showing that good natured people choose useful jobs like being doctors or engineers. These people are most likely to press blue. You press red, they die. How will society continues that almost every smart person died? Would you love to continue living in the red world full of Latinos, Blacks and jews? (99% of those I mentioned will undoubtedly press red).
>>18454178We could do with less stupidity in the world, do remember that the majority that voted blue is also allowed to vote on who gets to become the president of our country (or countries)
>>18452891schopenhauer would press red in the hopes 49,9999% press blue. less people. less suffering.i wish there was a green button that would thanos whipe out all life in the universe and adjust the laws of physics so it wouldnt be able to happen again.
>>18454207>How will society continues that almost every smart person died?smart people wouldnt die. youre delusional about how this world works.
>>18452831isn't that just pushing blue
Permaban for anyone making these shitty threads.
The smart option here is to pick red then tell the people you dont like to pick blue, anybody who picks red regardless of what you tell them is smart enough to not get filtered by being convinced to pick blue, so this is a good way to make the world better in the long term.
>>18452816I would pick blue and I wouldn't even think about it. You could easily deduce that a red victory would be a catastrophic, world changing event the would probably wipe about at least ~1-2 billion people, if I have to sacrifice myself in order to try and prevent that, than I would in a heartbeat
Is this retarded scenario supposed to simulate some real world phenomenon? Like, "you are told that you can either put money in a pension fund or gamble it away, so if you gamble it's just your fault and nobody should come to save you"? As if choices in the real world were this clear and easy to enact upon?Is this retarded trend a psyop to prime people to some sort of culling and removal of welfare?
>>18454532One guy against billions of red button voters, wow, enjoy taking the fall alongside your fellow suicidal blue button voters instead of staying alive to ensure that you can still fight to keep the world a better place, because the blue button pressers certainly arent since they wanted to die so badly.
>>18454542It's an experiment for the people who have been brainwashed into having suicidal empathy for a bunch of retarded crackheads with a double-digit kill count to psyop more people into getting roped with the rest of the sheep
there's a chance that your press changes whether or not blue gets 50%. You only need like a 1 in 4 billion chance for that to happen for pressing blue to lead to lead to more people surviving in expectation.I would probably press blue. Most likely like 20-30% of people press blue, but I think it would be a right-skewed distribution or something. Even though I expect the most likely outcome is 30% press blue, 50% of people pressing blue sounds twice as likely as 10% of people pressing blue. If it were real I would do more math though
>>18454558This reading is too positive as it assumes that the people saying theyre totally good and altruistic and shit arent actually lying off their asses for extra social points, the blue button side is doomed in a most likely realistic outcome
>>18454558
>red pill is a sugar pill>blue pill is deadly poison but if enough retards take it we'll hand out the antidoteWoah that's a tough one
>>18452856>if half the world died we'd be in apocalyptic hellthis is literal propaganda that isn't remotely true and would in all actuality lead to better life after 10 years of stabilizing
>>18453200>>18454207its pure naivety picking blue, its fantasy land and for people who could care less if they die, its the people that genes died out
>>18454532this is why this is so funny, blue pickers have a savior complex while red are just being realistic, very much a republicans vs democrats situation
>>18454692i liked anons blender room version more, this feels dishonest
>>18452829They're not just retards, they are actively evil because they are holding themselves hostage against everyone else>>18454207>engineers>picking anything but redYou have low IQ
>>18453348then all the reds would just leave the blue society to escape persecution and create their own nation
>>18453355red = republican tho
