Why were there Indians in the German army during WW2?I thought Hitler was racist?
> I thought Hitler was racist?This is not contrary to that fact.
>>18453869Why were there Indians in the British army during WW2?I thought Churchill was racist?
>>18453873What the fuck?
>>18453869How many Indian generals and field marshals were there in the German military with German soldiers serving under them?
>>18453875Except the Nazi government was literally racist in its ideology. Churchill worked within a democratic and egalitarian system.
>>18453869The better part were Burmese doing ethnic cleansing on Indians with Japanese help. To summarize, Axis policy simply wasn't consistent which was one of their downfall causes
>>18453880So if they were consistently racist they would have won?
>>18453885Maybe. For example they killed Central Asian soldiers taken to captivity on spot in 1941 but stopped doing that once idea of Turkic collaboration got promoted. Needless to say they failed to persuade alive Central Asian prisoners to cooperate
>>18453869>>18453879>>18453880>>18453885>>18453888There were also Jews in the Wehrmacht
>>18453880Anglo revisionism.
>>18453869>the Nazis weren't racist you libtard! See, that had non whites in the military So what's your issue with the allies?>they had non whites in their military!Lol
>>18453878Notice how the people who claim "Hitler LOVED <insert race he's using as canon fodder against the Soviets here> actually!" never answer this?
>>18453869Hitler was a British agent working for international Anglo-Saxon banksters
>>18454759Hitler didn’t send Indians to fight the Soviet Union. Some were at Normandy mowing down Britishers while the rest got sent back to India to fight their country’s independence under Japan.
>>18454795And how many were generals and field marshals?
>>18453878Subhas Chandra Bose who was the head of the Indian Legion in Germany had a German wife and faced no legal persecution from the NSDAP
>>18453875churchill isnt racist
>>18454797And he was a general or a field marshal in command of ethnic Germans?
>>18454802No, why would he?
>>18454804Exquisite.
>>18454802>And he was a general or a field marshal in command of ethnic Germans?Nope but he was good friends with the Fahnenjunker Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler and Führer und Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler which is a feat of its own.Are there any pictures of Churchill shaking hands with an Indian?
>>18454825>NopeAbsolutely perfect.
>>18454802>>18454825Are there any pictures of Churchill sitting with Indians, chatting and having a good time?
>Hitler loved Indians but he would never ever ever put one in charge of German troops or use them as anything other than a meat shield
>>18454830>Absolutely perfect. You have destroyed my argument and it left me speechless with your facts and logic.Thanks.
>>18454835>Hitler used Indians as canon fodder >No he didn't!>Which Indians did he place in charge of German troops?>None! But he shook hands with one once!!!!
>>18453869Hitler also formed an alliance with Japan.It was for the same reason. He was racist, but he was willing to put that aside to a degree for the sake of winning the war, and India was the crown jewel of the British Empire.
>>18454825>>18454832Are you actually retarded? Do you think British elites never spoke with Indians? That they ruled India for 200 years through telepathy or something?But to answer your question here is Churchill and Nehru
>>18454825>Are there any pictures of Churchill shaking hands with an Indian?Yes? How stupid do you have to be to write this as a smug rhetorical question
>>18454832Here is him with his Indian bro walking the streets of London
>>18454825>>18454832>Um Chrurchill le BAZED because there are no pictures of him with Indians or somethingJesus Christ get a job
>>18454825There are like fifty pictures you can find just by doing a google image search of Churchill meeting and speaking with Indian politicians.I wish being a smug retard was a bannable offence
>>18454933Most Churchill stans are just paid ops meant to shill him as a 'based' alternative to fascism and the far right.I refuse to believe they're actually this stupid
>>18454932>>18454933>>18454936>>18454942>>18454947Lmao what the fuck is this cope? The Nazis supported jeet independence while Churchill didn’t. This is like calling someone a Nazi for drinking water because Hitler also drank water. Seriously you nazifucks need to kys
And like that other anon said, Nazi ideology was explicitly racist. The British government wasn’t.So Hitler shouldn’t be with photographed with jeets AT ALL
>>18455258>Make an obviously retarded lie (Churchill never shook hands with Indians!)>Get debunked immediately>Laugh at others for engaging with the parameters of the discussion you setYou're right, I feel stupid for engaging.
>>18455258>The Nazis supported jeet independenceThey didn't. This is all from Wikipedia>During the first years of the war in Europe, as Hitler sought to reach an arrangement with the British, he held the notion that India should remain under British control after the war, as in his mind the only alternative was a Soviet occupation of the subcontinent.[283] As the British had rejected German peace offers, Nazi Germany opted firstly for talks with the Soviets to join them in the Axis and proposed to give Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean to the Soviet Sphere of Influence (trying to push away the Soviets from European affairs) and develop a Eurasian Kontinentalblock against the British Empire (which provocated that the British Staff in India proposed in May 1940 the "Plan A" for the defense of British Raj against a Soviet invasion through a pro-Axis Afghanistan) in which Indus River was proposed by Afghans to be the new frontier with a liberated India.[286] After the German invasion of Soviet Union, Hitler ordered on 17 February 1941 to prepare a military study for a post-Barbarossa operation in Afghanistan against India. The goal of this operation was not so much to conquer the subcontinent, but to threaten British military positions there to force the British to come to terms.[287] A week later the Afghanistan operation was the subject of a discussion between head of the Army General Staff Franz Halder, Oberbefehlshaber des Heeres Walter von Brauchitsch and chief of the Operationsabteilung OKH Adolf Heusinger.[288] In an assessment produced on 7 April 1941, Halder estimated that the operation would require 17 divisions and one separate regiment.[288] A Special Bureau for India was created with these goals in mind.
>>18455352>>18455258>Indian revolutionary Subhas Chandra Bose escaped from India on 17 January 1941 and arrived in Berlin via Moscow. There he proposed organizing an Indian national government-in-exile and urged the Axis to declare their support for the Indian cause.[289] He eventually managed to extract such promises from Japan after the fall of Singapore and later on from Italy as well, but the Germans refused.[284] Bose was granted an audience with Benito Mussolini, but Hitler initially refused to see him, although he did acquire access to Joachim von Ribbentrop after much difficulty.[284] The German Foreign Ministry was skeptical of any such endeavors, as the German goal was to use Bose for propaganda and subversive activity, especially following the model of the 1941 pro-Axis coup in Iraq.[290] These propaganda measures included anti-Raj radio broadcasts and the recruitment of Indian prisoners of war for the "Free India Legion".[291] Bose eventually met with Hitler on 29 May 1942.[292] During the discussion, which mostly consisted of Hitler monologuing to Bose,[284] Hitler expressed his skepticism for India's readiness for a rebellion against the Raj, and his fears of a Soviet takeover of India.[292] He stated that if Germany had to do anything about India it would first have to conquer Russia, for the road to India could only be accomplished through that country,[284] although he did promise to financially support Bose and help relocate him to the Far East.[292] Bose later described the encounter by stating that it was impossible to get Hitler involved in any serious political discussion.[284]>On 18 January 1942, it was decided that the Indian subcontinent was to be divided between the Axis powers. Germany was to take the part of British India roughly corresponding to the western part of modern-day Pakistan (inhabited by Aryan peoples), while the rest of British India, along with Afghanistan, was marked for Japan.[293][294]
>>18455261>Scientific racism is when you don't shake hands with other races, ever
>>18455258Nope, they wanted India to remain British and later on planned to divide it into German/Japanese spheres of influence. Do you not bother to do even the slightest level of research before making a claim? Why should anyone think it's worth their time engaging with you?
>>18455258Churchill called Nehru the 'light of Asia' btw. I don't know why you're so desperate to retcon him into being a staunch defender of imperialism. He put his name on the Atlantic charter which is the single most influential anti-imperialist document of the 20th century.
>>18455261>Churchill was so BAZED and racist, he never shook hands with an Indian!>Wait he did? Well he never claimed to be racist, so that wasn't hypocritical of him!Lmao you faggots are such clowns
>>18453869every day I'm thanking Stalin for genociding this insane nazijeet meance from Europe
>>18455407Slavic Bolshevism always wins
>>18454837>if you don't put an indian in command of German troops it means you're using indians as cannon fodderHow do you even come up with something this retarded?
>>18453876>I'm doind an MBA in germony saarnothing new under the sun
>>18455343>>18455379>>18455386The anon who said that Churchill never shook hands with Indian independence leaders wasn’t me. But he’s right to an extent. Chuchill never met with any pro Indian independence leaders, except for Nehru and even then it was AFTER independence (1948) which is where this image comes from>>18454936Also, might I add. What a weak argument “b-but Churchill did it too!” >>18455352>>18455355>> >On 18 January 1942, it was decided that the Indian subcontinent was to be divided between the Axis powers. Germany was to take the part of British India roughly corresponding to the western part of modern-day Pakistan (inhabited by Aryan peoples), while the rest of British India, along with Afghanistan, was marked for Japan.[293][294]Lmao do you nazifags not proofread before you post? You literally proved my point.>inb4 b-but it says they’re carving up Yeah, by granting India (Azad Hind, look it up) independence . Even if was a de facto puppet state, it would still have been considered an independent state by the Axis powers.>>18455359Strawman. If they were “untermensch” according to Hitler then he would have supported them. Hitler didn’t support black uprisings in Africa.>>18455379>churchill>not an imperialistOnly on 4chan do you see retards like this>>18455386>Churchill kills 100 million Indians>”erhm ackshually, he shook hands with a jeet! That means he was la heckin left wing woke liberal!”>Hitler kills 0 Jews (Holocaust didn’t happen”>”OH MY /POL/ HITLER IS SO HECKING BASED!!!!”Be consistent, nazifag.
>>18455566>Churchill kills 100 million IndiansWhen did this happen again?
>>18455568The Bengal famine. Though it was actually only around 3 million killed, my mistake. Still more than Jews killed in the Holocaust though (which never happened)
>>18453878>>18453873>>18453885>>18454747>>18454837Umm..../pol/xisters what's our response?
>>18455566>Even if was a de facto puppet state, it would still have been considered an independent state by the Axis powers.You don't strike me as very intelligent. British India was also an 'independent' state according to the international laws which the British created>>Churchill kills 100 million Indians>>”erhm ackshually, he shook hands with a jeet! That means he was la heckin left wing woke liberal!”>>Hitler kills 0 Jews (Holocaust didn’t happen”>>”OH MY /POL/ HITLER IS SO HECKING BASED!!!!”>Be consistent, nazifag.What on earth is the point of this melty? Why do all Churchill stans come across as mentally ill?
>>18455607>there were no Indian soldiers in the German army!>w-well okay there were some, but there were no Indian generals in the German army?>a-atleast Hitler wasn’t Indian!
>>18455566>>Churchill kills 100 million Indians>>”erhm ackshually, he shook hands with a jeet! That means he was la heckin left wing woke liberal!”>>Hitler kills 0 Jews (Holocaust didn’t happen”>>”OH MY /POL/ HITLER IS SO HECKING BASED!!!!”>Be consistent, nazifag.Holy autistic melty. Am I expected to write some kind of good faith response to this?
>>18455566>The anon who said that Churchill never shook hands with Indian independence leaders wasn’t me.Ok so why are you mass replying to desperately defend that retard?
>>18455638Indeed, my entire thesis is that Hitler used Indians as cannon fodder and nothing more important than a meat shield, with no Indian officers commanding ethnic Germans as they would if they were seen as equals.
>>18455654Why are you even bothering? They're obviously not acting in good faith and just want an excuse to spam and circlejerk over BAZED Churchill (who never shakes hands with Indians apparently)
>>18455645It's astounding these people have the nerve to call us autistic.I get the same vibes from them as Trump shills who just spam tranny over and over.I guess not much has changed when it comes to cocksuckers of fat philosemitic politicians
>>18455635> British India was also an 'independent' stateWrong. It was a British crown colony.>>18455648Lmao read the full post, short attention span tranny.>>18455635>>18455645>>18455660>>18455671>if you mock me you’re autistic!Lmao. We’re laughing AT you, not with you.
>>18455654> Hitler used Indians as cannon fodder Not true. There weren’t enough to be used as meat shields>No Indians commanding ethnic Germans So? The Indian legion was part of the SS, would other “subhumans” like Jews or Roma be allowed to join it?
>>18455674>Wrong. It was a British crown colony.. . Which were nominally independent from the UK. The only regions directly part of the United Kingdom were Britain and Ireland
>>18455674>Mass replying>Spamming trannyThanks for disproving my point
>>18455688> Which were nominally independent from the UKBut not the British empire. Meaning they were a colony.>>18455693>no argumentI accept your concession, nazitranny
>>18455702The British Empire wasn't a legal entity. Your argument hinged on legality not practicality
>>18455566>>churchill>>not an imperialist>Only on 4chan do you see retards like thisWhy did he put his name on the Atlantic Charter, which expressly forbids imperialism?If he was an imperialist he wasn't a very successful one
>>18455566>>”erhm ackshually, he shook hands with a jeet! That means he was la heckin left wing woke liberal!”This is literally your argument regarding Hitler? Thanks for making fun of yourself
>>18455708It literally was? Also picrel>>18455717> Why did he put his name on the Atlantic Charter, which expressly forbids imperialism?Have you even read the charter? It written in deliberately flexible language, and Winston Churchill interpreted it in a way that didn’t require dismantling the British Empire. Also Churchill literally talked about this exact issue. He clarified in Parliament that the Charter did not apply to the British Empire. He insisted Britain had a duty to govern its colonies and wasn’t committing to immediate self rule for them.
>>18455728Lmao nice strawman nazitroon. Its not. If hitler was racist then he wouldn’t have created the Indian Legion. Simple as.
>>18455729>and Winston Churchill interpreted it in a way that didn’t require dismantling the British Empire. Oh well that settles the matter. I'm sure Churchill's personal interpretation is what matters, not the policy of the American state department
>>18455729>Winston Churchill interpreted it in a way that didn’t require dismantling the British Empire. Also Churchill literally talked about this exact issue. He clarified in Parliament that the Charter did not apply to the British EmpireOh phew what a relief. I almost thought the British empire fell for a moment
>>18455685What were they used for?
>>18455734>b-but daddy government says so!Least retarded yank. Real life treaties aren’t like those in HOI4 dumbass, there are loopholes and shit.
>>18455744Yeah and it's good thing England exploited those loopholes and didn't lose its empire, right? Right?
>>18455732Are you retarded? Hitler was obv a racist but he preferred being practical over Tranny race ideologies. If the Nazis kept their race ideology 100% pure they wouldn't have made as far as they did. Neo-Nazis love jerking off to the idea of extremely strict racial ideology but its just not practically possible. Compromises have to be made.
>>18455744>We signed an international agreement in bad faith and then got shocked when said agreement actually ended up being applying to usAmazing revelation
>>18455748Stop feeding him. Just mock or ignore
>>18453879So what Churchill. The ideology of democratic egalitarianism is extremely racist as it punishes high performing Whites by lowering them to be equals with underachieving non-Whites.Yet the British army was White, they were fighting against their interests.Also>racism means you hate other racesLeftist moment.Racism means your own family first.Leftists value space rocks over family members.
>>18455566>racism means you hate other racesLeftroon strawman of actual racism.
>>18455744Hoi4 doesn’t have treaties.
>>18455737>>18455745>>18455750Who decolonised the British empire? Hint: it wasn’t Churchill>>18455743Their main purpose was actually to fight British rule in India. The plan was to get there from the Caucuses once Germany conquered it.>>18455748Hitler wasn’t a racist. He was antisemitic, yes, but don’t have anything against other races. He was more or less a “Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians” type of guy>>18455751>”if you don’t agree with me then you must be a troll!”Lazy
>>18455757>right wing is when you're racist/pol/trannies wearing right wing politics as a skin suit because they're irrelevant otherwise
>>18455757So being racist means wanting mass migration in your country?>>18455758Whatever. Pretend I said Victoria 3
>>18455761And when that plan didn't materialise what were they actually used for?
>>18455566>Also, might I add. What a weak argument “b-but Churchill did it too!”No. You (or the guy you're pretending isn't you) made an absurd claim. That absurd claim got refuted. Now you want to mock us for acting in the parameters of the stupid debate you created.
>>18455772They weren’t used that much actually. They were mostly on guard duty and/or on the western front.>>18455778PicrelAre you going to at least attempt to refute my points or just seethe?
>>18455787Doing what on the western front?
>>18455791Defending lmao. The literal opposite of a “meat grinder”They also rounded up and killed white people (French) picrel
>85 replies>Nobody mentions the fact Hitler called indians subhumans and said Brits weren't cruel enough to pajeets.I thought people on this board knew history ?
>>18455801Didn't say meat grinder, I said meat shield, which you've just admitted they were.
>>18455809Oh yeah and about that meme indian legion..In a conference* held on March 23,1945, one general raised the question of the Indian Legion.Hitler: The Indian Legion is a joke.There are Indians who can't kill a louse, who'd rather let themselves be eaten up. They won't kill an Englishman either. I consider it nonsense to put them opposite the English... If we used Indians to turn prayer mills, or something like that, they would be the most indefatigable soldiers in the world...Source: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer*Fuehrer conference, March 23, 1945. This is the last transcript preserved. Gilnert, op.cit., gives it in full, pp. 141-74.
>>18455813They mowing down Britishers and killing white French people. Try again tranny>>18455809>>18455815Lmao so what? Hitler also insulted the blue division and Italian troops. Does that mean he considered them subhuman?
>>18455809Again. If they were really subhuman according to him(“He wrote it” isn’t an excuse. Actions speak louder than words, always)why was there an Indian legion in the Waffen SS? Would there have been a Jewish SS division, or a Roma SS division? Answer.
>>18455857Kek pajeet cope. Only jamboys can simp for a guy who dislikes them. Stop it it's embarassing.
>>18455847So doing the actual fighting? IE being a meat shield?
>>18453869The Nazis were hindooboos. Indians are Aryans.
>>18454933Freemasonic Indians do not count. They betrayed and sold out India and turned India into an opium factory for the East India Company.
>>18455902>Table TalkFraudulent document.
>>18455902You’re coping with the fact loved jeets.
