All these lands were inhabited by Turkic husbandmen since the times of the Huns. For over a thousand years it resembled something East of the Caspian more than anything European, then in one fell swoop the Russian Empire came with its gunpowder armies, smashed what remained of the once "mighty" Turks, took the lands, displaced the peoples, and settled productive Slavs, permanently changing the character of the territory forever. The mighty "Gog and Magog" turned out to not be so terrible in the end, but meek.
>>18454022"In one fell swoop" A three century long swoop so fell that Turks kept leading slave raids into Central Russia to take those productive slavs and sell them as slaves in Samarkand into the 18th century. Not to mention that all of this was only achieved through the ceaseless efforts of Cossacks and alliances with said turks not "gunpowder armies".The only meek person in the equation is you.And well, as for forever, we'll see.
>>18454036>Slave raidsSmall time compared to regularly destroying the capital and slaughtering thousands of civilians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_campaign_(1575)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_campaign_(1667)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_campaigns_(1668)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_campaign_(1675)
>>18454057https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_of_Moscow_(1571)It was Tamerlane who destroyed rhe Golden Horde's power. Crimean Khanate lasted to 1783 and Kazakh Khanate to 1847.
>>18454057>Steppe niggers go to war with steppe niggers (polish) Momentous, stunning&brave. That doesn't change anything I said though. That's all still true. The Russian state struggled to defend it's southern and east flanks from steppe nomads for centuries, and relied on cossacks and allied hordes to do so. Even after attaining verifiable superiority over the muslims, it took a century for the Russian empire (under the wise stewardship of a German woman and her descendants with the duke of Holstein, btw) to fully push the muslim states out.Thankfully the ever dilligent Germans were there to bail you ruskies out, if it weren't for them. You'd be speaking Mongolian right about now!
>>18454882>steppe niggers (polish)
>>18454036>>18454882Gunpowder was a big part of the reason the russians could compete on the steppes. The cossacks were part of the armies doing it (and they were rus anyway). And western european aid (in technology and personnel) was certainly important in improving the backwards russian state, but they would probably have overpowered the steppes eventually anyway. (Without western tech and personell, they might have been partially conquered by poles or swedes, but that's another matter).
>>18454916>From the early modern period, the sedentary states were everywhere on a gradual offensive against the nomads, although their eventual success took a long time to materialize. Russia’s advance to the east European steppes, which culminated in the conquest of the Crimean khanate, took about two centuries.>The Manchu, after very long struggle, were the irst to secure control over Mongolia and Eastern Turkestan. This success resulted in the partition of Turkestan and the steppe zone between Russia and China and the subjugation of its nomad inhabitants. >Remarkably, in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, the Dzungars, the Kalmyks, and some other nomads strove to procure cannons and handguns (harquebuses) from Russia and the Central Asian states. Sometimes, they even tried to produce them themselves, usually with the assistance of captured sedentary experts. For example, the Dzungar khan Tsewang Rabdan resorted to the assistance of a Swedish artillery captain captured from the Russians. Most Kirghiz riles were rebuilt from old Russian ones, for they were unable to make good barrels. However, none of these attempts were very successful. Times had changed irreversibly, and the nomads became the weaker side in their interrelations with centralized sedentary empires.Neat, thanks for telling me.Here's where I got the quotes from. https://www.academia.edu/14470689/The_Eurasian_Steppe_Nomads_in_World_Military_HistoryThough, if we are going to nitpick, none of this would have happened without western europeans because they were the main driver of progress in gunpowder weaponry since the 14th century.
>>18455006>The Manchu, after very long struggle, were the irst to secure control over Mongolia and Eastern Turkestan. The Tang dynasty directly conquered and ruled Mongolia and Xinjiang as Protectorate General to Pacify the North and Protectorate General to Pacify the West>This success resulted in the partition of Turkestan and the steppe zone between Russia and China and the subjugation of its nomad inhabitants.Bullshit.Xinjiang is two areas, Dzungaria in the north where nomads like Oirat Dzungars lived and Tarim Basin in the south (so called East Turkestan) where sedentary farmers like current Uyghurs lived.And both were conquered repeatedly by Han dynasty China as Protectorate of the western regions and by Tang dynasty China as Protectorate General to Pacify the West.
