I am studying noble families, starting with the Lombards, the Medici, the Borgias, the Orsini and the Farnese. Some of them were bankers and held positions within the Church; they are associated with the Jesuits, the Order of Malta and the Knights Templar. However, no one strikes me as more dangerous than the Venetians; they were the first, after the Lutheran Reformation and after England, to break with Rome, and they began a subversion to supplant the noble lineage of England. Paolo Sarpi was a man who conceived the modern world, and everybody ended up serving their interests, even the jesuits. Who were the Venetians? I find it difficult to understand.
>>18454352I have no idea what you're asking
What the hell are you talking about?The Venetians are and were catholic, they never tried to take over England, and most of their influence was on the eastern side of the Mediterranean sea. They largely lose their influence by the XVII century due to the retarded Ottomans closing the Silk Road.Paolo Sarpi was an historian/mathematician, not a grey eminence.
>>18454584Maybe they were just a merchant and banking class, you are right, after the Ottomans closing the Silk Road, some people from that merchant and banking class had to seek support from England to open themselves a new route to the Atlantic, that is why Paolo Sarpi when he wrote his critics to the Council of Trent, in which he criticised papal primacy and defended the distinction between papal power and state power, was eventually translated into English in 1620 and dedicated to James I Stuart by Fulgenzio Micanzio (a disciple of Sarpi). He sought English Protestant support against Paul V, exacerbating confessional divisions and positioning Venice as a ‘bulwark of free Christianity’ against papal absolutism. He even got support from Netherlands where the banks there got some wealth tranfered to it after that.Jesuits ended supporting english interests anyways, I think they just were pioneers of a capitalist world, Paolo Sarpi ideas had something to do about it, with all of that empirism, and Zorzi, a Venetian friar and diplomat in England (1540s), translated Kabbalistic and Neoplatonic texts that circulated among John Dee who were trying to subvert the english nobility Sarpi was an ally against scholastic dogmatism too; their letters dealt with inductive science, anatomy, optics and anti-papal politics, influencing Bacon’s *Great Restoration*. Bacon promoted the inductive methods that Sarpi advocated (observation over deduction), laying the foundations for the Royal Society (1660) with figures such as William Harvey (another of Sarpi’s correspondents). He represented the transition from Renaissance humanism to modern science.So there is a intelectual influence from Venice to England tooI think there were a venician merchant and banking class who needed to open themselves to a new market, and that is all
>>18454352>They were the first >after
>>18454352This feels like a poorly disguised lead up into some post-LaRoucheite Phoenician scheme conspiracy about the royal family and da Rockerbergerschilds. But I'll bite.The venetians were the denizens of the city of Venice, a city-state primarily devoted to maritime trade, though in its waning years this increasingly stopped being the case. Some of them did dedicate themselves to banking (a practice not exclusive to them; it was exercised by all the denizens of Europe) and did also join the clergy of the Catholic Church (which again, is something all europeans did). They have connections with the crusader orders of the Knights Templar&Hospitaller (later the knights of Malta) because, as one of the most powerful Christian navies of the mediterranean, their support in ferrying crusaders toward the middle east was indispensable. As for the Jesuits, everyone who wished to could join them. The republic of Venice never definitively "broke with Rome". Every single one of its many disputes with the papacy was mended. And if its about being under interdict, Venice had a long history of that. >and they began a subversion to supplant the noble lineage of England.Please explain this>Paolo Sarpi was a man who conceived the modern world,He was influential on people who were influential. But he hardly conceived the world we live in today. By the 18th century the city of Venice was well into its decadence as a maritime, political, and economic power, then mostly known for being a capital of the arts. >the LombardsWhich ones, the Viscontis, the Estes, the Sforzas?
>>18454707For your information, the ottoman closure of the Constantinople route greatly benefited the venetians because they had a special trade arrangement with the mamluk sultante granting them a virtual monopoly of goods from Asia (coming from the maritime silk road), the other italian republic (genoa) had something somewhat similar going on in crimea. It was the Portuguese (who are tied with the English, for what that's worth) and the other Atlantic nations who sought out alternate routes that cut Venice out. In fact, Venice is known to have attempted to stop the Portuguese ventures in India by all means availiable to them, it didn't work, of course.
