>previously great cultures destroyed by Islam award
Odd take, the turks under islam reached their full potential and peaked as most powerful entity in the world.Persians were probably at their best before but to say islam ruined persia is stupid. They were both doing fine
>>18455206territorial extent =/= success of a civilization
>>18455218turkey was clearly at its military, cultural, economic and territorial height under islam. byzantium was on a defensive foot since like the 8th century. I too would rather Anatolia stayed Greek and Christian, but the Turks clearly flourished under Islam
>>18455205>previously great cultures destroyed by Islam awardIran is currently facing off against the JewSA like an equal
>>18455205I can understand Iran, but why Turkey?
>>18455206Like the Mongols, they only converted after accomplishing their astonishing conquests. Their subsequent expansion from Anatolia into the levant, Arabia and Balkans was more due to the deficient nature of their neighbors and the momentum of their Turk heritage, they never took Islam as seriously as the rest. Islam as a whole was a deficit and they would have accomplished more if they forced deconversion every time they claimed a piece of land and wiped out entire cities and civilizations, again like the Mongols in those glorious early years. If they could see the forest for the trees they would have realized the necessity of this.
>>18455224it used to be based
>>18455223Iran follows an Abrahamic religion, thus they are no different from the Zionists and are at best controlled opposition.Actual genuine Antizionism would be a complete rejection of all Abrahamic religions and a return to paganism (which in Iran’s case would be Zoroastrianism).
>>18455205Ottomans are basically neo Byzantine (compare Turkish mosque with Byzantine church)Safavids are basically neo Sassanid / Mesopotamian (compare Persian mosque architecture with gate of Babylon and Zoroastrian fire temple)
>>18455227The Byzantines weren’t Turks though.
>>18455226Turkic conquests began after Arabs started hiring them as mercenaries, which centuries after their conversion to Islam. Also Turks built a civilization, Mongols were just skilled thieves and bandits, Turks were like that but prior to Islam.
Ah yes. The great majoosi culture of having your mother as your aunt and burning puppies at pits
>>18455226What is your argument that the Turks were not Muslim when they invaded Anatolia? And how is the invasion of Anatolia, which was barely resisted but in some cases encouraged by Byzantine Rebels, more impressive than the Ottoman conquest of the Balkans or the Middle East which were resisted by fierce Christian Coalitions or Mamluk armies?
>>18455265>t. parents are cousins
>>18455253They were though
>>18455265Pakistan has some of the highest inbreeding rates in the world. You are in no position to speak
>>18455205>>previously shit culture improved by Islam award
>>18455205But Arabs became Grecopersian
>>18455877not actually true. the mughals looted the place worse than the brits (and the brits were terrible)
>>18455877>improved>GDP goes from 35% to 25% of global output bwtween 1000 AD to 1700 AD.Islam is a extractive force which is populated by philistines who want material rewards in the afterlife. A parasitic culture essentially.
>>18455877Interestingly unlike other Muslim empires that adapt to previous local culture, Mughals see all the colorful Hindu heritages and go "fuck it I'm gonna larp as Persian, with white marble" like they want to be as different as possible to local Hindus
>>18456719Can you blame them?
>>18456542>>18456545India was significantly more prosperous, advanced, united and cleaner under Muslim rule and even went on to surpass China as the world’s largest economy and manufacturing power for the first time in its history. Then the British stole trillions of dollars worth of wealth in today’s numbers and they went from roughly a third of the global GDP to around 2%Same shit happened in Europe when the euroaches turned Spain from the center of knowledge, tolerance and innovation to a barbarian shithole that went on to terrorize and destroy countless indigenous cultures and steal their gold
>>18456719>Interestingly unlike other Muslim empires that adapt to previous local culture, Mughals see all the colorful Hindu heritages and go "fuck it I'm gonna larp as Persian, with white marble" like they want to be as different as possible to local HindusAkbar, the third mughal sultan apostasized from islam and stared worshipping the sun which had the royal ulema seething.Prince Dara Shikoh who wouldve become the sultan after his father (Shahjahan) before getting raped by his brother Aurangzeb translated the Hindu scriptures into Persian. he wrote all kinds of slop about how the Hindu scriptures are thr lost scriptures that the quran talked about which again had the ulema seething and had left them no choice but to support his brother aurangzeb against him. one of his books that i like is calledc majma ul bahrain.
>>18456803>India was significantly more prosperous, advanced, united and cleaner under Muslim rule and even went on to surpass China as the world’s largest economy and manufacturing power for the first time in its history. mawali cope. Indian share to the global gdp decreased from 35% to a mere 24%. Inida and china had always been historical competitors and surpassing each other time to time but the turko islamic settler colonialists came and stagnated Indias growth and killed Indias scientific resarch by constantly keeping Indians engaged in resistance and warfare>muh clean saawrope yourself arap concvbine.
>>18455205EnglandFranceGermanySpain
>>18457021Historically India didn’t even exist, it was just a collection of warring naked tribes, the first to unite most of the subcontinent before the British were the Muslims which led to significant economic growth and advancements through creating of a trading corridor with the rest of the Islamic world. Then after the Mughal Empire collapsed they reverted back to that state and is how the brits colonized it
Curious take, anyone else would say Islam made Turkey and Turkish culture great despite the later secularist wave.
>>18457021>the turko islamic settler colonialists came and stagnated Indias growth and killed Indias scientific resarch by constantly keeping Indians engaged in resistance and warfareConstant competition and warfare did the complete opposite in Europe...
Not sure if these posts are you the indian ultranationalists or just how averge jeet thinks...
>>18457031The Mauryans united India before pisslam ever existed
ITT: retarded brown zoomers think Anatolian history started with turd invasions.
>>18457251Jeet cope, we know so little about mauryans that noone even knew they existed before brit archaeologists discovered them like a century ago
>>18457271>noone even knew they existedThe Greek writer Eratosthenes described them in his work Indica
>>18457274I meant in the modern era, im sure some guy who lived 2500 years ago knew who they were
>>18457276>Nobody knew who Megasthenes was before the 20th century
>>18457256but it effectively ended with them, nothing of value to civilization emerged from anatolia after islam,only war, tyranny and decrepitude
>>18457289It would be impossible to define the borders of a state that was pretty much forgotten until the last century. Also the fact that it was forgotten in the first place kinda means that it didn’t leave any long-term impact on India whatsoever despite being hyped by BJP hindpoos.
>>18457309LolIstanbul alone is more significant than the entirety of Greece in every single aspect
>>18457327Who founded Istanbul?
>>18457332Fâtih Sultan Mehmed
>>18457334Is that what they teach you in Turkey?
>>1845520530s Ataturk wrote this
>>18457332byzantine ruins were about 80kAbdulhamid Khan among others raised the city from a good capital to a metropolis>The City's population in 1914 was 1.125 Million. 80k>1.125M>500kThere is also the post imperial growth from 500k to 10-15 million, though the planning for that was a hack job.Greek Constantinople consists entirely of a few ruins, the Theodosian walls, the toll collection office, a Genoese colony and a gaggle of peasants located almost entirely within a single district of modern Istanbul. While the Romans were notable for establishing parts and the general layout of Fatih and some fundamentals of the city, Places like Uskudar, Taksim are entirely non-roman
>>18457256>>18457309Turks have nothing to do with that, they are a completely different culture.
>>18457368Relative to the rest of the world Constantinople was much greater in Byzantine times than it is today, on top of being rich and not a shithole.
>>18457327Its not even in Anatolia
>>18457509constantinople peaked in around 1500s, not the 500s, by pure ''greatness'' metric.The city was absolutely a shithole post 4th crusade and the richness was mostly concentrated to the italians.
>>18457613>constantinople peaked in around 1500s, not the 500s, by pure ''greatness'' metric.lol no Its absolute peak was in the 500s-early 600s2nd in the 10th to early 11th century3rd early Ottoman Empire, but it was no longer that special by then
>>18457368>Üsküdar was founded in the 7th century BC by ancient Greek colonists from Megara a few decades before Byzantium was founded on the opposite shore.[5] It was originally called Chrysopolis>The city was used as a harbor and shipyard and was an important staging post in the wars between the Greeks and Persians.>Long overshadowed by its neighbor Chalcedon during the Hellenistic and Roman period, it maintained its identity and increased its prosperity until it surpassed Chalcedon.[5] Due to its less favorable location with respect to the currents of the Bosporus, however, it never surpassed Byzantium.>When Constantine made Byzantium his capital, Chrysopolis, together with Chalcedon, became suburbs.[5] Chrysopolis remained important throughout the Byzantine period because all trade routes to Asia started there, and all Byzantine army units headed to Asia mustered there.>In the 12th century, the city changed its name to Skoutarion (Greek: Σκουτάριον), the name deriving from the Emperor's Skoutarion Palace nearby.
>>18457031>Historically India didn’t even exist, it was just a collection of warring naked tribesThe Mahabharata which was written 3200 yrs ago (secular estimates) in 1200 bce mentions the borders of India and defines India as the nation of Aryas.> the first to unite most of the subcontinent before the British were the Muslims which led to significant economic growth and advancements through creating of a trading corridor with the rest of the Islamic world.The first time india was united was under the Mauryan rule in 322 bce which was 2347 yrs ago. China was united for the first time 101 yrs after India was firat united in 221bce which was 2246 yrs ago.>creating of a trading corridor with the rest of the Islamic world. India was trading with all over the world before the turko islamic settler colonialists arrived, the most roman conis found outside of europe are found in southern India. Thers a book called "The Gloden Road" on this topic refer to it before vomiting your madrassa nonsense here.>Then after the Mughal Empire collapsed they reverted back to that state and is how the brits colonized it.the Mughals didnt collapse they were defeated by the Hindus. they were reduced to a mere vassal by the Marathas. The mughal suktan had been reduced to a mere zamindar of Delhi and had to pay a 25% tax to the Marathas of the total revenue that Delhi generated. the british however stopped the Hindu reconquista thats why today they are suffering from global humiliation and from the pajeet-ud-deen rape gangs. Karma.
>>18457509Istanbul is not a shithole it is one of the greatest and wealthiest cities in the world When mehmet II took it it was a 30k village inhabited by thr greek despot and some goats
>>18457150thats because the ottomans had blocked the passage and they had to find a new way towards India because India was central to the economy of the European states.Every single european power wnated a peice of India. the discoveries of the americas happend when columbus was trying to find a route to India but accidentally ended up finding the Americas.plus the reneissance that europe had, the constant religious persecution that the turko islamic settler colonialists did had only made the Hindus more religious and supersticious unlike the Europeans who had the age of Enlightenment.
>>18458654It never reached the peak it did in Roman/Byzantine times. And I don't mean total population, Rome today has more people than it did in 100 AD but that doesn't mean it's more relevant.
>>18457318you retarded mawali pajeetullah The borders of Inida were literally defined 3000 yrs ago in the Mahabharata.>Uttaram yat samudrasya himādreśchaiva dakṣiṇamVarṣam tad bhārataṁ nāma bhāratī yatra santatiḥ.“The land which lies north of the ocean and south of the Himalayas is called Bharata (India), where the descendants of Bharata dwell.”
>>18458661Because today the global trade capital is London
