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Should we consider the extinction of the Anatolian languages and their artifical replacement by Greek as one of the earliest documented cultural genocides?
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Probably? Its just that no ancient anatolians exist today (the blood is obviously there in turks and greeks but the identity is dead) but even if you did nothing would happen and greece would beg daddy eu to sanction whoever proposed this
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>>18455285
It would be a genocide if it's done intentionally, by the state, by the institutions with a clear goal. But language shifts can also happen in a more organic ways, gradually over the course of generations. I think this is more likely when it comes to Ancient Anatolian languages.
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>>18455285
You tell me
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>>18455292
You believe that people NATURALLY forget their native language?
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>>18455400
Yes? I am Peruvian, on my nation we have indigenous populations that speak ancestral indigenous languages, but their kids and grandkids don't know a single fucking word in their native tongues, they all speak Spanish or english and nobody is forcing them to learn Spanish, they simply choose to do so. They could live perfectly happy in their tribes speaking ancestral languages but they decide that they would rather learn Spanish and have a chance at fucking Peruvian white women.
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>>18455400
Over the course of generations, people might start using a non-native language progressively more and more over their native language if it gives them more opportunities, privilege, status etc. to the point were eventually everyone would speak the new language and only remnants are left of the original one.
It has happened countless of times throughout history.
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>>18455400
The language we are using right now comes from a country where that exact thing happened.
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>>18455285
>by Greek
Armenian was an Anatolian language too before Turks killed every armenian in their borders
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>>18455285
You do realize that Turkish assimilation of Anatolians can be considered "cultural genocide" by the same metric, right?
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>>18455436
Turks killed as many minorities as they could, completely different.
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>>18455439
Don't believe they did that in the early Seljuk days when the region was first Turkified.
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>>18455446
before their invasion, anatolia had 22 million people
after a couple of years, only 8 million remained
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>>18455451
Source?
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>>18455436
Greeks: "I'll ban your language, I'll ban your religion, and I'll ban your culture. If you resist, I'll kill your entire village"
Anatolian: "I surrender"

Turks: "Hi. I have just arrived in Anatolia. I'd like to marry your women and you can marry our women too as long as you are a Muslim."
Anatolian: "Okay"

Not the same thing at all.
Not the same thing at all.
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>>18455458
Bait
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>>18455453
https://thehistoryofbyzantium.com/2022/08/10/episode-248-life-in-turkic-anatolia/
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>>18455458
>Greeks: "I'll ban your language, I'll ban your religion, and I'll ban your culture. If you resist, I'll kill your entire village"
That's what modern Greeks did, we've got no evidence it also happened 2000 ago.
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>>18455458
> "I'll ban your language, I'll ban your religion, and I'll ban your culture. If you resist, I'll kill your entire village"
What Greeks, Assyrians and Armenians heard during the early 20th century when Muslims were massacring everyone.
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>>18455469
>That's what modern Greeks did
nobody cries about the massacred french colonisers when the Haitians massacred them
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>>18455458
I've seen some truly retarded posts recently. The sort of stuff you'd expect from a melanistic lobotomite. But I have to congratulate you on surpassing them all.
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that jet not touching greek fr made them really mad
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>>18455471
Reddit history
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>>18455468
I listened through the whole episode and heard no mention of a massive 2/3 population drop.
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>>18455401
>Anyone calling himself peruvian
>"White"
Sure buddy

>>18455458
>Greeks rooks over 1000 years to gradually hellenize Anatolia with cultural influences
>Central Anatolia became turkish in less than a century of so
History proves the exact opposite happened
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>>18455471
They were the one starting the massacres of Turks at the orders of Russians, French, Anglos. They started shit and lost in the end too.
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>>18455285
No because they were already rendered extinct by the Phrygians, who were not "Anatolian" but relatives of the Greeks.
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>>18455458
>>18455549
Op is a faggot and this should end the thread.
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>>18455285
The Phrygian language is very close to Greek.
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>>18455471
Not a genocide apologist but gtfo with that christcuck revisionist history
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>>18455937
How is it revisionist?
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>>18455458
>Turks: "Hi. I have just arrived in Anatolia. I'd like to marry your women and you can marry our women too as long as you are a Muslim."
Marauding Seljuks Turks burned and pillaged many of the major Anatolian population centers to the ground.



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