How would Spengler classify Georgians? Do they fall into one of pic related or would he view them as a borderland mountain culture or a proto-culture like the Russians?They don't have the gothic cathedrals found in Western and Northern Europe nor the domed / cavernous mosques and basilicas in the middle East and the Balkans.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jpqj_pTPOg
>>18459072Might consider them as a pseudomorphed relic of Apollonians as the Caucasians historically were apart of the Hellenic world and got along with them.
>>18459093The Apollonian civilization collapsed. Modern day centers of the Apollonian culture such as Greece and Italy are now part of different cultures. Italy today is part of Western civilization along with Western Europe. Greece, Turkey, parts of the Balkans, Thrace, and the Eastern Mediterranean are part of the Magean culture.
>>18459072Spengler is good in broad strokes to consider the morphology of rural cultures into hardened civilisations, and how architecture and art can be informed by the geography of that culture. But trying to put every single human society into a neat box like this is overreaching.
>>18459174It would be a good test of his ideas if it also applied to Georgians.
>>18459072Almost certainly Magian
>>18459186The only ones I think he hits the mark on are Westerners and Classical culture. Unsurprising for a European. Magian is hard to define with the dates, how an ossified classical civilisation seemingly adopted it seamlessly because the “mass soul” changed. His Russian culture doesn’t exist yet and seems to have skipped from rural religiosity to a low birth rate technics focused civilisation in a century.
>>18459193>His Russian culture doesn’t exist yet and seems to have skipped from rural religiosity to a low birth rate technics focused civilisation in a century.I suspect cheap sources of energy and other technological advances sped up the process from Culture -> Civilization.
>>18459072>still posting this versionHere's a version with a less inaccurate Mexican row
>>18459440alternativelyWorth noting I wasn't able to identify the font used for "MEXICAN" so the text there looks a bit offIf anybody knows the font used let me know and I'll fix itAlso to be clear I think Spengler's model is nonsense and is the historical equivalent of horoscopes, though I do think it's cute how much of a Mesoameriaboo he clearly was. Shame he died before the Maya script was deciphered.
>>18459072Magian just like the rest of states in the middle east. All the way. It's somewhat obvious.> nor the domed / cavernous mosques and basilicas in the middle EastNgl they look a lot like greek churches to me.>>18459297It's just Faustian culture. And so is the Birthrates hysteria, btw. The entirety of European history prior to the 19th century Was realized with less population than current Russia. If you dig a little deeper you can see things are going as planned.
>>18459533Greek churches have a dome/cavern look
vs. Georgian churches
>>18459542>Posts the cathedral built in the 1990sBut I get your point. They do not look like Greek curches. They do look a lot like Armenian Churches.And thsoe still keep a lot of the cave-like features, even if they don't quite have a dome.
>>18459545The Greek one is also a recent construction from the United States so the comparison is fair. This Georgian church is from the 11th century.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78fewr2mXfE
>>18459560The interior is extremely cave-like, though.
>>18459562It's a stone structure with pillars. Nevertheless it looks completely different from the interior of a mosque. I assume the defining feature is the cavern/dome architecture.https://youtu.be/pp4LzmwAKsU?t=29
>>18459193>His Russian culture doesn’t exist yet and seems to have skipped from rural religiosity to a low birth rate technics focused civilisation in a century.That's just western pseudomorphosis, once western birth rates start rising again (billions will be born), so will the russian, as well as everyone else's
>>18459533>It's just Faustian culture. And so is the Birthrates hysteria, btw. The entirety of European history prior to the 19th century Was realized with less population than current Russia. If you dig a little deeper you can see things are going as planned.Based plan truster
>>18459583I don't mean in a Q sense. But I think the population thing is a red herring.
>>18459072I really don't know why he latched onto the steppe and le endless flat plane so hard, IMO if anything's endless in the consciousness here it's a (birch especially) forestI know he was talking about the territory rather than specific nationalities, but still
>>18460394I don't know how a thick forest maps to infinite space in the case of Faustian civilization
>>18460482Like this
>>18459072What makes cathedrals so different from the roman basilicas they grew out of to warrant calling it the work of an entirely new civilisation
>>18459662Faustians already have, as they say, a concept of a plan for demographic decline.
>>18460496Also a forest is basically a giant set of lego with its rivers being the batteries.
>>18460394Eh, I guess the idea is that the Russian state (and culture) was defined by it's interactions with the steppe, and not the Northern forests, but you could make an argument for both; Prime Symbols are meant to be abstract encapsulations of the guiding principle a culture generally follows based on some perceived inspiration. But I agree it's a problem that Spengler's symbol is one that Russians nearly unanymously reject. >>18460742He actually considered the (non-latin, pre-romanesque) cathedrals and the basilicas part of the same Culture. The real Greeks, according to him, made Doric temples. The chart doesn't make a good job of conveying that.>>18460857My point is that it only really is a problem (as it is right now) under Faustian Civilized logic. The one that presupposes global industrial civilization as seen right now is (or must be) inevitable and neverending.
>>18459576It's more about space than directly about looks. An American evangelical megachurch doesn't resemble a gothic cathedral on first sight, but the way it treats space and the feeling it evokes is very similar.The cave-like feeling is not directly tied to the mosque, and especially not to the decorative language inside the mosque. Greek/Armenian Cathedrals also manifest it. And so do Synagogues, Zoroastrian temples, etc.
>>18460922In a sense I think a lot of what Spengler said about Russia could be considered orientalistic. But he was onto something with the (Eyes to Jerusalem, not Rome) thing.
