>writes about worker's rights>never worked a day in his lifethis bum would've been dead in the gutter without his bourgeoisie friends
He worked at several newspapers and wrote for a living.
>>18459412>wrote for a living>workedPick one
>>18459400>never worked a day in his lifeBased
>>18459414You can try to argue all you want, we only know about him BECAUSE of his work. To say he never worked is just an ad hominem attack on him.
>>18459430Why is it even an attack?>nooo how dare you not be a wageslave if you have other options
>>18459433People see it as a diss at him because they think it's funny that the anti-capitalist guy was poor, they think it invalidates his points because "he was clearly just a lazy bum who wanted handouts." Totally ignoring that his best friend was a wealthy factory owner who shared the exact same sentiment.
>>18459437If you have much and preach for everyone to have little, they call you a hypocrite. If you have little and preach for everyone to have little, they call you loser. This is in all things. You cannot please losers, you can only coerce them.
>>18459400based NEET
>>18459400Maybe he had the foresight to realize working was a scam before he devoted his life to doing it.
>>18459437Dude lived off fucking handouts from his rich friends. In a communist society he would've queuing up at the breadline.
>>18459486He earned an income and worked across several journals and papers. The reason he stopped working was because of him getting banned and having to relocate elsewhere. Again this is a pointless ad hom attack.
>>18459486If anything this adds more validity to his claims that he advocated for a system where he personally would not have benefitted
>>18459495Marx was bumming off Engels for much of his life. Wow what a champion for the common worker!
>>18459496Because he knew that society would never happen, so he was never in danger of losing his cushy life. Hey guys, if everyone put aside their differences and in-group biases in order to work together for mutual benefit, we'd have a much more beneficial society!See? I can come up with utopian shit that's incongruent with reality too!
>>18459516Marx was explicitly anti-utopian and he acknowledged the messy reality of human infighting.
>>18459516>t. red button pusher Look. We all know you’re a psychopath. Just stay out of our way.
bernie
>>18459520Communism is utopian by its nature.
>>18459524Do you even know what utopian means?
>>18459526Something that is idealistic but impossible to put into practice. Marx may have rejected utopianism, and seen communist as a historical outcome based on shifting dynamics, but the end result is still pie in the sky shit, as demonstrated by every failed attempt to implement it.>inb4 rEaL CoMmUnIsM HaS NeVeR BeEn tRiEd
>spending all day studying history, philosophy and economics to the point that you create entire new branches of the latter two fields isn't work
>>18459400An ad hominem can just be rejected outright wuth no further arguments plus you can assume in the future that the person who made it is a retard and you should not debate him
>>18459516Marx's ideas did result in workers becoming more class-conscious, which led to factory owners making concessions once they realised that they could not act like 15th-century nobles anymore. Governments had to give workers more and more to undermine growing communist and socialists movements
>>18459430>>18459555>muh ad hominemDid you discover that word today, samefag?
>>18459574What else do you want him to use? That's exactly the word to use you nutcase.
>>18459532Truly we have a literal trogladyte in the flesh here.
>>18459607stfu. marx was a lazy faggot who lived off the same class that he spent his life rebuking. typical intellectual hypocrite.
>>18459574This is a meta ad hominem. Truly, people will engineer truly marvelous apparatuses of time wasting just because they can't be assed to admit they are wrong, or work on their issues of narcissistic, psychopathic issues that won't resist the defense mechanics our century will bring to put you in your place...You are wrong and I showed you a provable loser. No matter how you demean people, the external logic will show you a sucker for basically eternity.
>>18459621I don’t get why people get so hung up on Marx’s personal life, I don’t see any other intellectual get scrutinized in this way. I don’t see anyone giving any other thinker shit for their ideas because they were flawed in their personal life, and there is good reason for that, it’s stupid. Everyone is a hypocrite, everyone is flawed, if we dismissed peoples ideas based off of that we’d get nothing done.
>>18459621Chip on the shoulder AND insecurity issues? Great combo.
>>18459628Don't be disingenuous. Freud, Nietzsche, Ayn Rand... all of their personal lives have been picked apart. If Marx had the courage of his convictions, and truly condemned the contradictions of capitalism, he would have opted out entirely. But instead he spent his life criticizing the capitalist system, whilst reaping the rewards of it. No one should pay attention to him. But sadly people did, and they created some of the worst regimes of mankind. That's what happens when you take inspiration from a hypocritical faggot.
>>18459646You literally just sound like that one meme of that dude saying “we should improve society” and then that smug asshole says “yet you exist in society how curious.” You sound like a faggot.
>>18459646>If Marx had the courage of his convictions, and truly condemned the contradictions of capitalism, he would have opted out entirely.Lmao that's the point you retard. Literally nothing he'd do could please you because you'd just pivot on a dime to another contrived argument. If he worked?>"he contributed to the system.Never worked>"lazy do nothing"Was bougie>"hypocrite"And so on and so forth.
>>18459657>>18459659>no comebacksAt least old Ted withdrew from the mainstream society that he hated and went to live in the woods. Marx continued to sit on his fat ass, dissing capitalism whilst getting handouts from his bourgeoisie friends. And you expect people to take this faggot seriously lmao.
>>18459665>At least old Ted withdrew from the mainstream society that he hated and went to live in the woods.And what exactly did he accomplish? The only people who take his ideas seriously are teenagers and anti-social schizoids, whereas Marx is still relevant with both academics and everyday people. I think it's fairly obvious to see who actually dedicated time to productive activities.
>>18459672Communism is dead. Who cares if a bunch of leftist academics circle-jerk over the manifesto?
>>18459677Considering many European governments put more effort into hounding anything remotely left of the center and enables chuddy BS and larping far-right figures I'd say it still has relevancy lol.
>>18459687What on Earth are you talking about? You can openly protest for a communist revolution in the UK without trouble but you’ll go to jail for saying Islam is bad. Marx and Engels are literally taught in European universities.
>>18459721>Marx and Engels are literally taught in European universities.Yeah and they have been watered down into safe wholesome chungus social-democrats, Lenin addresses this in State and Revolution.
>>18459400yeah they do be like that
>>18459412>wrote for a livingBWAAAAAA AHAHAHHAHAAAAA!AAAAAHHHH HAHAHA!!!!
>>18459721>you’ll go to jail for saying Islam is bad.Lmao not even close. Talking shit about Islam is basically a worn out dogwhistle in Europe, mainly because they wore out their other dogwhistles before.
>>18459400Being a Bum is every true worker's dream, you're just mad he attained it >t. Have literally worked in the mines in the Australian outback and in cattle ranching
>>18459738>No actual rebuttal
>>18459400>I've never read the communist manifesto
>>18459400This is such a meme but it represents very well the burger mindset. Most americans (and westerners too) have been told that marxism is a spooky dangerous ideology that lead to the death of millions and who destroys society.Yet, despite this, very little is known to the average guy about marxism. Nazism is critiqued too but the average guy at least knows what nazism is and what how it fit within the broader actions comitted by nazis.For marxism and communism however, the average joe has literally no clue. As such, he tries to piece together all of the one-liners and simplified information which he can gather, and finds himself to still lack an accurate picture. Because of this, he'll instead opt to reduce marxism to "whatever the USSR did" or to treat it through the lens of retarded arguments like the one in OP.
>>18459400I fully agree there are 100s if not 1000s of Marx throughout history that never got to exist or hear of because they were too poor or broken to study/write/organize, etc.
>>18460721>Nazism is critiqued too but the average guy at least knows what nazism is and what how it fit within the broader actions comitted by nazis.I agree with everything you said except this, the average person does not understand Nazism and often just reduces Nazi Germany to>I guess Hitler just flipped a switch in every Germans head that made them evil.
Communism works if it's a small white tribe and everyone is related
>>18460892-Mussolini
>>18459437>>18459437A guy who was never a proletarian, never owned a business, never went to school of economics, never worked for government, never owned or organized a union, never led strikes. Yet... we're supposed to care about anything he had to say about capitalism or society in general? He was an upwardly failed son who never worked an honest day of work in his life. His parents called him a bum. They would beg Engels to pay his fucking rent. He let his kids die from starvation. He was a prolific alcoholic, and he cheated on his wife. Of course he was a bum and a failure. There is no single convincing argument you could make for proselytizing or defending his ideas, especially when communism has been a complete fucking failure everywhere it has been tried.
>>18459414>sat in the factories office all day counting money, smoking cigars and raping the secretaries >worked
>>18460721>This is such a meme but it represents very well the burger mindset. Most americans (and westerners too) have been told that marxism is a spooky dangerous ideology that lead to the death of millions and who destroys society.And your mind set is no different than the guy who drunk the kool-aid at Jonestown. Apparently, the millions of people who suffered under communism, and are still alive today, know little about the system you never experienced, or lived under, but insist you have an informed opinion because you watched or read some shitty Soviet propaganda from the 1970s. And apparently you only this, on 4chan, where you're anonymous. Because you're totally not fully of shit or anything.
>>18459512>I don't think children from this squalid Manchester slum should be forced into a mincing machine and then have their wages docked to clean the blood and human meat out of the machine when it rips their hands off>Yes, but you see you accept Patreon donations so into the machine the child goes!
>>18459516Did he live in squalor with starving children or was it cushy? You can only pick one.
>>18461493Child labor was common in the Soviet Union. You just virtue signal about it, but don't actually care. Everything you about complain is things you justify if it happened in a communist country. Even worse, you don't do anything to solve it to prevent it from happening, but grift off it, which is why the Patreon comment is on point for you.
>>18461515Was it though?
>>18459400>enjoys the freedom from work>spends his whole life trying to secure it for others
>>18461537He spent his whole life leeching off others and doing nothing to help people. Marx was the ideas guy, and even his ideas never helped anyone in history. It did starve and murder millions of people though. You know who actually helped people gain free time? Pasteur, Edison, and Bell Graham. Because they actually made stuff that allowed people to do that. They weren't bums like Marx who just wrote shitty tabloid garbage.
>>18461576Did you enjoy your weekend anon?
>>18459516Marxism is just an evolutionary strategy for Jews to sell indulgences and use the proceeds to fund reproduction, same as Christianity and wokeism
>>18461601People in the Soviet Union worked more hours than me and didn't have weekends off, Anon.And they didn't even have the right to strike or form a trade union. Even today, Cuba doesn't allow strikes.
>>18461601>This stupid ass nigger didn't even know the Soviet Union banned weekendsHow come every commie on 4chan is just a special needs person fr
>>18459646It's extremely obvious you've never even read a single chapter of Marx.Marx literally espouses Capitalism as the greatest system that mankind has achieved, in literally the first chapter of the Communist Manifesto, he also lays out why individualist moralfaggotry does nothing constantly through his work and debates with Bakunin.Marxism is about STRUCTURAL MATERIALIST analysis, it's that society changes based on technological development which changes production relations which changes social relations, not that individauls can moralfag the system into changing.Also Marx absolutely worked, he is literally arguably, one of the most influential philosophers of all time, he worked as a journalist, he's one of the 3 greatest classical economists alongside ricardo and adam smith, he's a founding father of Sociology alongside Comte, Weber and Spencer, he and engels literally invented documentaries with The Condition of the Working Class in England.These attacks against Marx are absolutely retarded bullshit, he's arguably the most accomplished and influentiual academic and journalist of all time along with being one of the top 3 influential philosophers in history.
>>18461619They didn't "ban weekends" they had a staggered workweek based on industy lol.It's like claiming the West doesn't have weekends because supermarkets are open on the weekend.
>>18461632>They didn't "ban weekends" they had a staggered workweek based on industry lol.Lol they fucking made continuous work days so you couldn't have time off with your family dudeOf course they banned weekends, retard. They especially said they did it to force people to work and keep factories open all the time. It specifically stop them having time off to do that.>It's like claiming the West doesn't have weekends because supermarkets are open on the weekend.Why are you talking about super markets when the Soviet Union didn't even have food
>>18461646"Working shifts means weekends are banned!" Lol, dumb as shit Capitalist propaganda, this also happened for a 11 whole years during mass industrialization. What did Capitalism do during industrialization? Oh wait, made people work 80 hour weeks then stole their wages while throwing kids into textile machinery.
>>18461646>Why are you talking about super markets when the Soviet Union didn't even have foodBecause also in your logic, the entire retail sector "doesn't have weekends" because people in retail work shift jobs where you get a day off on say Wednesday and Friday, and have to work weekends.
>>18461654According to your logic, the Soviet Union, which shot striking, banned independent trade unions, and used forced gulag labor to build canals, totally made the five, mandatory continuous work weeks, without week ends to break up holiday holidays, is totally the same as workers having the choice to choose when they work.
>>18459400>could've had a good career if he just shut up and did what the Prussian government wanted>threw that away to fight for the rest of us, even if it meant living like a hobo in a foreign country which didn't speak his native languagehe's a hero
>>18461653In the 1930s, the US created social insurance for people without workIn the 1930s, the Soviet Union engineered a famine, and shot people who didn't work, people like you, you retard
>>18461646You think factories in capitalist countries close at weekends? Fucking retard.
>>18461662>and shot people who didn't workbased commies
>>18461671Only like 10% of the US workforce work in factories. Most factories are in shit hole communist countries, like Vietnam and China, where they have no right to strike and suicide nets.
>>18461672>Make people hunger by exporting all their food so they're too hungry to work>Create an internal passport system that makes it impossible to find work>Make it impossible to start a business>Make continuous work weeks and illegal to strike or complain>Shoot them if they don't work because they're hungry and tired as the result of these actionsCommunist compassion in a nutshell
>>18461678why are you so retarded? don't you have anything better to do than writing BS on internet?>
>>18461519It was common in Soviet Asia in cotton production. It was discouraged, but cotton has seen as 'slave work' because the Tsarists have forced Uzbek and Tajik peasants to work cotton fields, so most men refused to pick cotton. Local officials just got women and children to pick the cotton instead to meet quotas
>>18461662kulaks engineered the famine thoughthe soviet failure was in underestimating just how self-destructive and greedy a human being could be
>>18461675You didn't answer the question. Do you think capitalist factories shut down at 5pm on Friday?
>>18461683You're on 4chan shilling communism in 2026You are the retard here budStalin shot troons like you
>>18461698>Calls people retarded>Thinks farmers decided to randomly, one day, to starve themselves to death for no reason at allIt doesn't take long to get communists to reveal what they truly believe
>>18461699Amazon workers do get off at 5:00PM, yes.This is something a simple Google Search would show.You took the short bus to school, so, you think this is a gotcha when it's not.
>why are you so retarded? don't you have anything better to do than writing BS on internet?>
>>18461701eh, you are fucking stupid
>>18461708Warehouses aren't factories. Factories, like the dairy where I live, run 24/7 with nightshifts, including on Saturday and Sunday
>>18461704>for no reason at allThey decided they'd rather everyone starve than share? And it wasn't "farmers" in general but the wealthy among them. How depraved do you have to be to burn grain during a famine?
>>18461714Supporting communism, like you do, doesn't give you a right to call people stupidIt just means you're stupid and a nigger too
>>18461704yes, if you only know any old east euro peasant you will get it that its quite plausible t. east Euro
>>18461721creating strawman in your head and playing to your delusions make you not only stupid but also mentally illtake your meds(they will not help you, too late for that)
>>18461715even warehouses run on shifts, essentially 24h per day and 7days per week t. Amazon Warehouse night shift worker>>18461708day shift, sure
>>18461722Interesting, this happened in Mongolia and Kyrgyzstan as well during collectivization. Although in those places it was not purely greed, but also a fear that their livestock would be taken somewhere else and so they slaughtered as many head as they could to live the good life and gorge on meat before collectivization
>>18461715Warehouses are considered factory jobs in the US because it's the type of same work, and nobody in the US is forced to work a factory job like they were in the Soviet Union
>>18461731yeahseriously, I could see my grandpa slaughtering his cows and sheep and burning his grain just to spite anyone who would come to take them from him
>>18461725Lil bro, nobody created a straw manYou're the guy defending communism, a system that shot people for striking, caused famines, and banned celebrating Christmas
>>18461739same as capitalism, it too created famine, shoot people for striking and banned various practicessame as feudalismsame as any system if you dig deep enoughand point me where I defend it(you can't)
>>18461722>>18461736The Russian government doesn't hold this viewThey even say the Soviet government caused it with their policies of collectivization and exporting grain, but it wasn't a genocideWhy say something not even Russian government says what happened
>>18461746which russian government?
>>18461745But the Irish potato was caused by bacteriait wasn't caused by deliberate government policyCollectivization caused the famine because the union exported grain during it to pay for industrializationThe collectivization was done to make it easier for the state take it by making it all centralized
>>18461748The current Russian government, retard.Putin regularly calls the Soviet Union a dictatorship and Stalin a dictatorship and trashes communismWhy would he, a Former KGB agent, do that if you were telling the truth?
>>18461489>this is what communists actually believe is entailed in managementSo Marxists are really out of touch academic retards?
Putin claims that most of the Bolshevik government was JewishThat the USSR was a dictatorshipThat the planned economy didn’t work, condemns the victims of StalinBlames the Holodomor on Soviet economic policy Russian state media, such as RT, promotes these narratives, and you can find articles on RT discussing this However, you assert that all of this is fake, right? The Russians themselves, who lived under the USSR, are lying, and you’re telling the truth.... Despite not knowing how to speak Russian or having ever visited Russia...Why is that the case Anon
>>18461754Putin is pro western tho and best but with oligarchs, current ''russian'' government is hostile to ethnic russians and ussr legacy in practicewhat they speak of is irrelevant, what they do is >>18461752>it wasn't caused by deliberate government policyit was, Ireland was food exporter even in worst famine times
>>18461754>Why would he, a Former KGB agent, do that if you were telling the truth?he sell out to west obviously
>>18461765>Putin, the guy who blames NATO for everything, calls the west "atheist" and "degenerate" is pro-WestThese are mentally retarded gymnastics communists have to do to defend their retarded ideologyNormal people read this and just think you're stupid and ignore you
>>18461765You, an idiot: Putin is pro-westPutin, every time he speaks: The West is inherently evil, nazi and racist, and needs to be destroyed
>>18461806>>18461815Maybe try to educate yourself instead of spewing bullshit. You lick the outer layer of propaganda and think that its all true.Putin is part of global order and his rhetoric is just that, empty rhetoric without substance. Anyway, you are worthless idiot with idpol brainrot and commies live rent free in your empty skull.
>>18459400Calling Marx a "bum who never worked" is just lazy anti-intellectual cope. Karl Marx worked for decades as a journalist, editor, political economist, and researcher, producing massive volumes of analysis that shaped modern social science. The idea that only manual labor "counts" is self-serving nonsense that would also disqualify scientists, economists, engineers, and literally anyone who studies systems instead of just swinging a hammer. And even if Marx had lived off support, that doesn't invalidate anything he wrote - arguments are judged by explanatory power, not whether the author personally suffered in the exact way you think they should. By that standard you’d have to throw out most of political theory, medicine, and physics. Also funny how capitalism defenders suddenly become obsessed with "real work" when Marx comes up, while perfectly fine with rentiers, investors, and inheritance wealth living entirely off ownership.
>>18461822>Also funny how capitalism defenders suddenly become obsessed with "real work" when Marx comes up, while perfectly fine with rentiers, investors, and inheritance wealth living entirely off ownership.That only prove that real work is real and capitalism is a sham.
>>18461822That’s like arguing mafia robbers are doing hard work.
>>18461817>Maybe try to educate yourself instead of spewing bullshit
>>18461822Karl Marx didn’t do anything meaningful. He just wrote poorly written papers and books that aren’t taken seriously in economics because they don’t work in the real world. He never created anything that actually helped workers. He’s just the guy the lazy and unemployed look up to in order to cope with their incompetence in life and their envy of people who are more successful than them.All his ideas failed and killed millions of people.Only losers look up to Marx to feel edgy, and it's easy to do online because, if you did it in real life, you would just be doxed and humiliated for being a retard.
>>18461844>post product of capitalismI accept your concession.
>>18461892It's a product of leftist, communist ideology and Marxism
>>18461758>completely ignores >>18459414oh no a far right moron that projects....
>>18459414>nooo!!! that's not real work!!>you have to be a slave and carry stones to be a REAL worker....go destroy your body somewhere else
>>18461931ah yes, America, the country of leftism, communist ideology and Marxismthis image only proves that americans are ugly
>>18459788Communists themselves don't consider writing to be a real job.The poets WILL farm/work the mines like everyone else.
>>18461947incorrect we consider it to be a real job, so you lose the argument, chuddie
>>18460721The USSR hailed itself as the flagship of communism and was touted as such by communists all over the world past and present. Those who didn't were laughed off the stage.
>>18461952You're not a communist though.But I am.
>>18461961I am more communist than anyone here, I have actually went on demonstrations with the Communist party irl
>>18461963I robbed a bank.
>>18461484>A guy who was never a proletarianfalse>never owned a businesstrue>never went to school of economicsFalse; he spent most of his life studying classical economics>never worked for governmentThere were very little workers in government in the 19th century>never owned or organized a union, never led strikesfalse, he kickstarted one of the biggest transnational union lol>Yet... we're supposed to care about anything he had to say about capitalism or society in general?If this is your standard for truthness I'm sorry to inform you that approx. ~95% of what we know of today has to be discarded. As I've stated earlier in >>18460721, this meme is literally just the translation of your intellectual inadequacy to engage with the subject at hand. It's quite literally a mental reflex which occurs because you're retarded lol.>>18461493>dude like people suffered it's totally not cool broskiWhat do you think enables the congolese children to mine cobalt for some warlord ? What do you think guarantees fresh supplies of kids for sex trafficking ? You're proving my point, instead of trying to argue with actual arguments against marxism (there are many), you instead rely on poor appeal to emotions with no intellectual rigor.>you have an informed opinion because you watched or read some shitty Soviet propaganda from the 1970s>anon is incapable of conceiving that communist books and theory exists outside of ussr sloplol lmfao>>18461631It's 4chan, what do you expect. Since the downfall of this site the only ones that are left are 90% of the time actual drooling retards living in the third world or in some trailer park in rural america. Most of them are physically incapable of understanding anything which can't be resumed to a 5 minute long video. Their brain simply does not have the capacity to do so.
>>18460897Mussolini was black though.
>>18459437>wealthy factory ownerIronic because in Marx's ideal society he would have been marked for death.
>>18461931nah, it is product of pure(heh) american values
>>18461975based
>>18461966oh yeah? which one, mr larper?
>>18459400Leninism addressed this, he was just the first professional revolutionary.
>>18460721Going to have to disagree that the average person knows what nazism is. The average person couldn't explain to you the political and economic theories of their own country, much less the motivations and ideology of 20th century germany.
>>18461848Millions of people have posted theories "not taken seriously." What makes Marx so different that his ideas are still discussed in every school and university on the globe nearly 200 years later?Assuming you work, will people discuss your work in 2200?
