>>18459764
That's literally it. Most atheists today would have been pagans if they lived two thousand years ago. They deny God specifically because they want to be homosexuals, masturbators, drug addicts, alcoholics, adulterers, fornicators, murderers, gossipers, traitors, thieves, liars, schemers, cowards, and so many other things. So many of their values are shaped by the Bible, they just want to refuse the ones they dislike. It all boils down to not wanting to be "controlled", which is really their way of saying they want to be wild. We are good for our own sake, not for God's.

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>>18459764
If you believe in whatever religion is most 'based' and anti-gay then you should be a Muslim not a Christian

>>18459793
>If you believe in whatever religion is most 'based' and anti-gay then you should be a Muslim not a Christian
>[In Jannah] there will circulate among them [servant] boys [especially] for them, as if they were pearls well-protected.

>>18459797
Having cute serving boys is gay now?

>>18459800
kek

>>18459764
Is this the new version of "you wouldn't say that about le islam"?
Western atheists focus their attention on the only relevant religion in western civilization in 2026. Most of their criticisms apply to every religion by proxy.

>>18459764
It's even better that they could pick literally any ideology to better their atheist lives and they "coincidentally" choose one that aligns with the exact description of the deceiver who will drag them into hell. LOL!

>>18459808
yeah but thats inconvient for my narrative, so I will ignore it

>>18459808
you actually wouldn't say that about islam to their face or in a public setting THOUGH

>>18459827
>let me tell you what you would or wouldn't do
Atheists debate and insult Muslims all the time. You, a christcuck, simply need to continue believing you're being singled out because your religion literally wouldn't exist without persecution as a central tenet.

>>18459831
And yet the global superpower in which Christianity is not persecuted (and in which atheists are sterilizing themselves) is currently gaping Muslims right now. So...

>>18459764
Homosexuality was literally illegal in pagan Assyria, the punishment for it being castration.

>>18459835
>inadvertently admits that christcucks hold all the power in the west
Wait but I thought you circumcized trannies were persecuted by le evil meanie secular atheist? Which is it?

>>18459850
You said that persecution was a central tenant of Christianity. I don't feel very persecuted. It's athiests that are scared of muslims and hide behind them while not being able to articulate why.

>>18459768
This is a very reasonable and interesting point of view.
>So many of their values are shaped by the Bible, they just want to refuse the ones they dislike.
Specifically your point here, as well as your point about being "controlled". Thank you.

>>18459764
>more atheists need to be criticizing odin and amterasu to balance things out!
get a thicker skin
>>18459768
>I have to believe this absurd thing not because it is substantiated by logic or evidence but because it's a logical predicate to all the other retarded shit I believe
so much christian discourse on this website is just this
maybe atheists just don't believe in a thing that has provided no evidence for its existence
maybe its really just that simple

>>18459957
you proved his point retard. it's about control and wanting to do whatever you want regardless of the consequences. you use proof as your explicit reason for disbelief, but you wouldn't need proof that a snake talked to a jewish bitch in a garden if you agreed with its values. so clearly it boils down to the values.

>>18459962
>but you wouldn't need proof that a snake talked to a jewish bitch in a garden if you agreed with its values.
this is the most retarded thing I've ever read. Christianity has no great moral insights. Most of the its teachings are rational and can be justified secularly. To agree with the values is absolutely not to agree with the supernatural claims of christianity.
Many irreligious people roughly follow the ten commandments, abstaining from murder, theft, lying, coveting, practicing humility, etc.
You believe that every atheist, agnostic, secular, irreligious, etc. person believes in Jesus and consciously rejects him to indulge in a hedonic lifestyle because that's the thing that you HAVE to believe to make all the theological calculus parse. If atheists were just people who weren't persuaded of the existence of god, and then your god put them in the magical lava, then that would make your god seem evil and capricious, so instead atheists are evil people who exist in a state of perpetual and conscious rebellion against your omnibenevolent god so that when he puts them in the magical lava, he isn't the bad guy.

>>18459768
>literally
bot

>>18459979
Dumb fuck arguing against metaphysical thought from a literalist point of view? Wow, never seen a guy like you on the internet before.

>>18459764
All the gods are fake and gay. Your god makes you believe stupid shit. When the jeets flood our countries even harder, we'll hate their stupid cow gods and blue multi-armed gods too. As those gods will influence what they believe.
You're just on copium, because you're seeing your cultural dominance shift, and you want to blame us.

>>18459979
again, you are retarded. it's almost astounding. as i said before, if you actually had sense you would realize that the reason why you buck so hard against christianity is because you simply don't want to follow its values. it doesn't matter that it's not true, because if you agreed with it, you would just view it as redundant, which you already said, but for SOME of the values, not all of them. so again, it really does boil to, as the original post said, to you wanting to sin.

>>18459764
Those are the only religions that are still active since only various shades of closeted faggot tends to religion in this day and age.

>>18460017
Atheists don't believe that the world was made in seven days, that man was made from dirt before being tricked by a talking snake and that if you misbehave you'll burn in magic lava for all eternity. You seem to lack the ability to understand that moral arguments are irrelevant to whether God exists or not. You can agree with the moral values od a religion, for example don't kill people, but you're still an atheist since the actual physical beliefs the religion has about the world (talking snakes, magic lava) aren't real.

>>18459962
>the consequences
Then maybe you should figure out some real consequences instead of consequences that totally happen in a magical realm the exact moment someone dies.

>>18460017
>because if you agreed with it, you would just view it as redundant
No, most christians don't actually follow (or even know) the rules and don't make lifestyle compromises like pure fabric and no pork, they just want to say they are in the cool kids club. Even the head of the largest christian organization on earth is cool with fags and takes to his pulpit to tell people not to treat them poorly.

>>18459764
>christcels accuse me of sucking cock for not believing them
>random oogabooga religions do not

>>18459764
They take issue with the deity they live alongside the retarded worshippers of.

Obviously, because that is actually a god of currency, materialism, and female sexuality

Christianity and Judaism worship the so called "queen of Heaven"

Their rituals are all done for the benefit of commercialism and the death of the spirit

They stole everything to try and repackage the world as feminine for quick personal gain at the expense of life

Stars, consciousness, and energy are intrinsically male

As such the interactions between males make a powerful union

I never once regretted my natural path

>>18460117
Fuck off, LaRouche, go whine abbout your Quaker Harridan mother somewhere else.

>>18459813
The bible shows god is the one who aligns exactly with the deceiver and makes bets with him and has him doing the dirty work so god doesn't seem mean.

>>18459857
No, maga christians are the ones openly scared of muslims and trying to make travel bans for muslim countries because they can't actually debate or criticize them because "they worship the same god".

>oh you think god doesn't exist, then you're gay
incredible

>>18459857
>not being able to articulate why.
Is the fact the most muzzrats are inbred savages not enough for you?

>>18460233

“In [a] beginning, Elohim created the Earth...”

>Elohim
>Not YHVH

It's these subtleties that say everything...

>>18459957
>I don't believe in God
>why
>I don't want to be a slave to God, He tells me to live a happy productive life of self-fullfilment and engagement and not masturbate

alternatively

>I don't believe in God
>why
>no evidence, no this evidence you're giving me doesn't count
>proceeds to make 90% of his life decisions without basing them on facts or evidence

>>18460308
how is making decisions based on projected risk v reward calculus even remotely the same as accepting a series of impossible, supernatural claims as true based on nothing?

>>18460310
>I am a very rational person and I already know that certain things are completely, beyond any reasonable doubt, impossible. They just are, okay? Btw ball lightning is also just hallucination.

>>18460325
>I already know that certain things are completely, beyond any reasonable doubt, impossible.
the claims of christianity are literally impossible. God defies the law of mass conservation when he summons bread for the israelites wandering the desert fleeing egypt, and Jesus breaks it again when he multiplies the loaves and fishes. Creatio ex nihilo in genesis is also an example.
These things are not possible in the natural, mundane world. So to believe in these things, you have to believe in the SUPERnatural, aka magic. You believe in magic, a force which is untestable, unobservable, exceedingly rare, and which originates outside our physical universe.
That is very different from me, I don't know, deciding the buy a pack of paper towels at the supermarket because the packaging is green so I accept as a matter of faith that they are eco-friendly. Even if that belief turns out not to be true, it is something that is at least SUSCEPTIBLE of being naturally true. None of the claims in the bible are susceptible of being true unless you accept the predicate, nonsensical belief of magic explaining away the naturalistic impossibilities. My biodegradable tissues need no such magic.

>>18460330
I understand where you're coming from. I believe you know my "ball lightning" example and how similar it is, but that's obvious, and also of a different caliber.

The truth is I've seen common knowledge or current state of science being so utterly completely off the mark/insufficient so many times in my life, and anecdotal evidence being proven true (and it was used because there was no better source of knowledge) in practical scenarios, and furthermore encountering a scientist having advanced models with better predictive power but being unable to produce scientific papers on them because the data he got in his lab did not jive with current data (so his whole thing was operating as a business where the lab did research/built models and sold them to private/govt organisations).

So yeah, I decided I might as well throw my stake in with supernatural despite no "hard proof", and I'm very happy with the results. Scientific method is just a method, it's not the ultimate truth either, there are obviously things that we have no method/framework to understand out there, and no need for mysticism - just look how long it took to get to scientific method, and how people managed before it, and how radiation existed and acted on us without us having a slightest idea about it. Makes sense we got a new method and new stuff ahead of us, if you forced me to be a materialist I'd say religion is alchemy and the best we got before we develop the discipline of chemistry.

>>18460308
You seem upset that random people on 4chan don't vile their lives based on bronze age Jewish mythology.

>>18460462
Live*

The bible says the earth is flat with a solid raqia dome that keeps water on the outside. Jesus literally thought the earth was flat. Christianity has been disproved. He didn't rise, he's not coming back. Seething about faggots isn't going to make your jewish fairytale real.

>>18460235
>they can't actually debate or criticize them because "they worship the same god"
this is cathocucks anon. did you miss the 50 billion threads about this

>>18460462
You seem to have no argument

>>18461590
Please provide proof that your tribal storm and war god called Yahwe is the creator of the universe.

I think atheism is just a philosophical excuse to watch tranny porn.

I think that jewish originated religions like Christianity, Judaism and Islam is just a philosophical excuse to engage in pedophilic activities.

Look at Epstein and his friends, and of course Mohammad himself.

The only way the world can be better if we can get rid of these repulsive religions.

>>18459846
>the penalty was something faggots freely do to themselves

>>18461791
>Christianity is just a philosophical excuse to engage in pedophilic activities.
>Look at two non-Christians

>>18461791
If there’s no God, why is pedophilia wrong?

>>18461786
But right wing Christians watch the most tranny porn. All the data is available on this
https://lawsuit.org/general-law/republicans-have-an-obsession-with-transgender-pornography/

>>18461776
Please define what you'd consider sufficient proof

>>18461776
the biblical god has already been disproved as the biblical god describes the earth as flat with a dome

>>18459764
Fucking vishnu

>>18461799
Just look at the Epstein files where you see many "god fearing christians" engaging in pedophilia. Bill Clinton, Steve Bannon, so many Christians.

And you anon, a fellow follower of the pedophilia jewish book, who loves pedophilia. All hail the King of the Jew, Jesus, who would allow his subjects to engage in pedophilia.

>>18461799
>A religion that is started by a criminal Jew, with books written by Jews, and fulfilling a prophecy that is Jewish in original.
It would be generous to even call Christians a Jewish cult.

>>18461801
pedophilia is wrong bc pedos can ruin the life of a kid, destroying them mentally and physically

it's not a matter of god, it's common sense

>>18461851
Well your own scriptures say that Yahweh had a contest between him and Baal where the priests of each side would invoke their god to light a pyre. We can start with that. Have a contest between all the gods of today, have every team build a little altar and have Yahweh perform a miracle there, like appear in a column of fire that doesn't exhaust itself and speak to the audience (while being recorded live of course). He can then generate matter out of thin air and make it rain manna.

>>18459764
I'd gladly debate with Manichaeists, but there aren't any around anymore.