When will Turkey admit they did this and why do they lose their shit if you simply mention it?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serdar_Argic
>>18460238If ethnic exchange is a genocide then so was the ethnic cleansing of muslim turks in the balkans and armenia
>>18460269cleansing armenians is bad because they lived there centuries before turks.cleansing turks off balkans and armenia is good because turks infested these lands but belong back over caucascus to asian steppes. easy enough?
>>18460273The hipocrisy of judeochristian euroaches knos no boundaries hahahahaIf "land back" is the argument then kick every single spanish and italian out as they are literal visigothic and lombard invaders who infested these lands
>>18460280Also the russhits in the caucasus are literal settlers living on stolen land from the native muslims they exterminated
>>18460280>>18460269Nobody is sad about the French colonists that got massacred by the Haitians.Also nobody here is talking about ethnic exchange, it's more about the massacres that happened before that.
>>18460280>literal visigothic and lombard invadersEveryone knows they still speak visigothic and lombard to this day.Oh wait, no they don't.
>>18460284Do you support kicking all hungarians to the steppes?
>>18460285Dunno, what about the armenian genocide? When will Turkey admit it?
>Argic's postings soon numbered in the tens of thousands, and averaged over 100 posts per dayAnd people do it for free too!
>2 million people in less than two yearsImpressive, Hitler wishes he was this efficent
>>18460280>yeah the muslims from africa who arrived to Spain in the 800s are the TRVE natives, not the people who resemble Mesolithic Iberiansdemijeet
>>18460348I didn't know germanic barbarians resemble autochtonous iberians
>>18460360seems like you don't know a lot of stuff
>>18460269>If ethnic exchange The majority of Armenians that were deported/escorted were killed off. The people that survived were the ones that escaped on their own through advanced warning or leaving before the deportations affected their region. I don't have official statistics but the majority of Ottoman-Armenians that survived the massacres lived near the border of present day Syria in regions like Cilicia / Tarsus, labelled 9/10/11 on pic related map.Had a large percentage of the Armenians survived the Western Armenian dialect spoken in the Ottoman Empire would be spoken in Armenia. Instead the Tbilisi-Yerevan Eastern Armenian dialect is the official spoken language in Armenia with only a few Syrian-Armenians that speak the Western Armenian dialect.
>>18460238>When will Turkey admit they did this Turks won't admit to any ''six trillion'' Because the turks won the race war>why do they lose their shit if you simply mention it?Because it's a dishonest grift that insults their ancestors who fought, barely won and maybe even died for a race war they didn't even want to start
>>18460393>they didn't even want to startOf course they did. They Ottomans wanted to foment rebellions throughout the Caucasus. They Ottoman command even approached Armenians just prior to the war to see if Armenians living in Russia would rebel against Russia. Their entire WW1 Eastern front strategy relied on meme ethnic conflicts that failed to materialize.>won the race warIt wasn't a war. It was a central government taking advantage of the compliance of its population.They conscripted Armenians/Assyrians into their army, killing them off and then sending irregulars to the villages.
>>18460408Armenian judeochristian ethnonationalists were conspiring with a collaborating with a literal crusader genocidal state (tsarist russia) to do to eastern turks what was done to the circassiansThe young turks saw the writing on the wall
>>18460238>ally with euroaches to backstab a benevolent empire that had historically treated your people well while they were already fighting another war>still loseEuroach christkikes will bring this up but they wont bring up how the real mistake armenoids did was to trust the eternal euroach, just like many arab christkikes did by supporting american imperialism in the middle east
>>18460283>Nobody is sad about the French colonists that got massacred by the Haitians.Most of them were Acadians, in Canada the government itself kvetches very hard about the British removing them to French territories for refusing to recognize British sovereignty over Nova Scotia.
>>18460273Genocide my guys victim :( Genocide my guys killers :)
>>18460282Real
>>18460280>kick every single spanish and italian outgod i wish
>>18460393>>Turks won't admit to any ''six trillion''just a couple of million, why run away from the fact that you did it? wouldn't that besmirch their ancestors who did the acts even more?
>>18460532>>>ally with euroaches to backstab a benevolent empire that had historically treated your people wellguess being second rate citizen is "being treated well" in turkish
>>18460693>in Canada the government itself kvetches very hard about the BRITISHheh
>>18461904>you can live under your own courts>you are exempt from conscription, but you will pay a tax>you can still enjoy great success as a christian subject, including access to some government jobs>any legal discrimination against you becomes void with your conversion>AAAAAAAAHHH THIS IS HELL SAVE ME RUSSIA
>>18462036>hey you have some rights but a muslim could do whatever you wanted to you and we also just kidnapped your children to make them into slaves but eh don't complain too much musslimanic coping about being as bad as western colonizers is something else man
>>18460326Hitler used the armenian genocide as pretext for him doing the Holocaust, too
>>18460238Karma will take care of them, the Turks are being replaced by the Kurds and Arabs now. There are Turks alive today who will see Turks become a minority in Turkey
>>18462044>>a muslim could do whatever you wanted to youwhere are you getting this from>>we also just kidnapped your children to make them into slavesthey would become elite soldiers and officials. there is evidence of families volunteering their sons for it.
>>18460238Armenians were poisoned by the toxin of Nationalism. Before that they lived like Jews all over the Middle East. They achieved privileged positions in their host countries. Nationalism promised them their own homeland, even though they didn't really have on for thousands of years with a few historical oddities as exceptions. They decided to throw their lot in with the Russians, instead of simply being loyal and patient. This resulted in the death of their race.
>>18462076so that's why the turks killed them in advance by the millions even if they didn't do anything to Turks
>>18462068>they would become elite soldiers and officials. there is evidence of families volunteering their sons for it.The Ottomans executed and imprisoned off most of their janissaries in the 1826 in what they call the "Fortunate incident"
>>18462107maybe the families volutneered their sons to the jenissaries because they really hated those particular sons, it was another Allah-blessed divine boon by the benevolent ottoman goverment on its christians citizens
>>18462100Armenians would have had a much bigger country if they sucked as much American cock as Muslims did.
>>18462107Yes, as the janissaries had ceased to be a disciplined force and became a parasitic faction opposed to necessary military reform. See: Janissaries deposing Osman the Young and Selim III
>>18462115Maybe so but the Ottomans lost every single Balkan country after the Janissaries were removed.
>>18462115>>Yes, as the janissaries had ceased to be a disciplined forcewell to be fair their bosses were muslims so
>>18460238They’ll never outright admit it. They sort of already do admit it in recent decades, because while they do still lie and claim it didn’t happen, they will simultaneously facetiously brag about the numbers, and chant old genocidal slogans. Take for example Enver Pasha “tree cutting” memes, or giving Greeks “swimming lessons”, these are both euphemisms for genocide used by Turkish nationalists. >>18460269Take for example this Turk here. He minimizes the genocide by reframing it as a population exchange, when in reality it wasn’t. Were some Greeks sent to Greece? Yes, but as many, if not more were slaughtered and subjected to torture and humiliation. Armenians were massacred and raped, in top of being death-marched into the Syrian desert alongside Assyrians who received the same fate. He then does whataboutism and compares it to expulsion of Balkan Turks, as if they weren’t a settled population specifically put there to help the empire maintain control over the Balkans. Nobody denies that there were incidents of atrocities against Turks, but that is entirely different from the systematic extermination of millions of people for the sake of not only ethnically cleansing Anatolia, but also massively reducing the overall number of members of those minorities as a whole on Earth. I’m not saying expulsion of Balkan Turks wasn’t bad, but it’s also not comparable.
>>18462352>They sort of already do admit it in recent decadesi've had turks privately admit it, to be fair there are a lot of them so it's not all beyond hope
>>18462352>es, but as many, if not more were slaughtered and subjected to torture and humiliation. Armenians were massacred and raped, in top of being death-marched into the Syrian desert alongside Assyrians who received the same fate. He then does whataboutism and compares it to expulsion of Balkan Turks, as if they weren’t a settled population specifically put there to help the empire maintain control over the Balkans.Yeah, for some reason this is always ommited in debates.
The real question is when will Turkey admit to the doggocide. I can forgive them for killing humans but not dogs. they rounded up 80,000 dogs and starved them on an island near Constantinople in 1910. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77yIOkEGKdchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aayV0_cK8j0>In 1911, 80,000 stray dogs were rounded up from Istanbul's streets and left to die on the city's smallest and remotest island. Learn about this little-known, strange piece of Turkish history here.
>>18463367to be fair muslims hate dogs because Muhamed hated them too, so it's ok in their culture to kill them
>>18460238Self defense, Greeks genocided the turks as well.
>>18463367Istanbul is filled with stray dogs right now
>>18463371>>18462352>self defence to kill the Pontic Greeks because they....existed
>>18463372time for round two
>>18463371>Self defense, Greeks genocided the turks as well.Turks ethnically cleansed Greeks during peace time in 1955 while in the same defense pact (both joined NATO in 1952) after the government spread propaganda about Greeks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfUo1EZ0ITI>A man who was fearful of being beaten, lynched or cut into pieces would imply and try to prove that he was both a Turk and a Muslim. "Pull it out and let us see," they would reply. The poor man would peel off his trousers and show his "Muslimness" and "Turkishness": And what was the proof? That he had been circumcised. If the man was circumcised, he was saved. If not, he was doomed.
>>18463382um that was self defense too
I can sympathise with the Turks when I look at the Entente's maps for partition. This border-gore would look terrifying from the perspective of a Turk.
>>18463388they were comitting genocides even before that tho
>>18463382The Greeks had done all this a few decades before, killing every circumcized man in the balkans.They also cut open all turkish women with a sword and pulled out the fetus to show the grandfather the child.
>>18463397>in the balkans.How did the Greeks do that when they controlled a few tiny regions of the balkans and how does that justify the Turks going apeshit on the Armenians ever since the 1880s?
>>18463397>decades of peace>oh yeah let's go kill all the greeks now just becauselmao
>>18460282No such thing as a "native muslim". Everywhere musims exist, they're on stolen land.
>>18463411Saudi arabia as well?Pakistan too?Indonesia, Malaysia? Kazakhstan?
>>18463418Yup, all formerly non-muslim countries that need to be cleansed.
>>18463421Cleansed for who?
>>18463423Whoever wants to make use of the land after the evil cancer of Islam is gone.
>>18463418>>Pakistan too?Especially Pakistan. Mulsims went insane when converting that entire region. Very nightmarish stuff.
>>18463411Judeochristians preach for literal genocide while playing the victim 28828191992829 time
>>18463441nice projection
>>18463382And Muslims consider this ok because the mayor of the city was "punished", so it's all good.Of course, nobody ever talked about accepting the Native Greeks back.
>>18463439Literally not? Cow dung worshippers exist in the billions thanks to the Mughal toleranceSame reason judeochristian filth still exist in the balkansCompare this to the """kindness"" the iberians gave to their Muslim subjectsJudeochristians are literally: "my atrocities are based and good, and the ones I invent about yours are evil and bad :("
>>18463441I'm an atheist.>genocider kvetching when someone wants to retaliate against his 1400-year-long jihad against the saneCute.
>>18463444Coming from a judeochristian filth? What happened to the circassians btw?Reekshits literally tried to pull an Israel in Anatolia and now cry crocodile tears because our Turkish ahki fought backJudeochristian logic is: "When our Muslim victims fight our genocidal attempts back and give us what we deserve is genocide :("
>>18463447Reekshits were literally ripping fetuses out of Turkish women wombs and setting Turkish innocents on fire in lands they occupied in Anatolia, anything that Turkish retaliated against was justified
>>18463454>>genociderBut I'm not a judeochristian. And nuatheist are nothing but zionist bots
>>18463458It's impossible to "genocide" muslijms. Any violence against them is simply justified retaliation. Most of all turks, who are invaders from the steppe and do not belong in anatolia whatsoever.
>>18463405They did not control tiny regions in the balkans they literally occupied and tried to pull a zionism in half of Anatolia. Now cry crocodile tears when Turks speak how they forced their oppressors to swin back the Aegean
>>18463467All muslims are inherently genociders and oppressors, as well as terribly inbred.
>>18463469I apply the same logic against kike worshipping filth like yourself, do not cry genocidey when Muslims give vermin like you what you rightly deserve
>>18463472>All judeochristians are inherently genociders and oppressors, as well as terribly homosexual dog fuckersFify
>>18463473Once again, I am an atheist, now go sniff your buddy's asshole while you pray to the rock in the cube because a pedophile said to.
>>18463447>Native GreeksReekshits are invaders to Anatolia racially actuallyTurks are autochtonous Anatolians
>>18463474What I said was objectively true, what you're saying is made up in your inbred head. We are not the same.
>>18463478You have no arguments but ad hominen and racist islamophobic grift, I accept your concessions
>>18463475>pedophileEnough about the little boy diddler Yeshua and toddler creampier Isaac
We,Georgians, support Armenian genocide.
>>18463481But everything I've said is 100% true.You ARE inbred.You DO pray to a rock in a cube.You DO bend down and sniff your brother's asshole while you do so.You DO do so because a pedophile who fucked a little kid said to do it.Literally all objective facts. There's no argument to be had here. You can't deny reality.>>18463487This is the third time I've told you I'm an atheist. I understand that your parents being siblings limits your cognitive ability, but at least try to comprehend basic language.
>>18463505All the inbreeding really did affect Islam worse than anything.
>>18463505This is a shitty ancient meme map counting only cousin marriages that are basically harmless, compare this to judeochristian dynasties such as the Hapsburgs who fucked their own mothers, sisters, etc...No we do not pray to "a rock" we pray to the only true GodThe Muslim praying is the only correct one and that is how every Prophet didAisha was 19 and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) metely corrected the true faith that was lost and corrupted by Jews and PaulistsAll of these are lies and propaganda, stop drinking zionist nuatheist koolaid from the likes of Dawkins, Maher and Hitchens
>>18463521>counting only cousin marriages that are basically harmless
>>18463435WHO?
>>18463439So hindu indians with dark skin from central and east india who are foreign to pakistan should have it?
>>18463476>just random bullshit spam to kill the thread
>>18463516Pakistani bro is trying his best to prove you correct. Also, let me filter that spammer.
>>18463470>in half of Anatoliawhich is not in the balkans btw
>>18463539dunno about that, but poor brainwashed dark skinned pakis shouldn't be in control of it either, really
>>18463554South indians are not native to pakistan so they should have it?
>>18463550If someone who has lived in area for 5000 years isn't allowed to have it then why should greeks and anatolians suddenly be allowed to genocide turks when they're weaker than turks?Why should turks let greeks and armenians get away with genocide and betrayal?
>>18463560whatever, learn where Anatolia actually is first, mutt
>>18463557dunno about that, but brainwashed indians that were forced to be muslim definitely shouldn't control it either
>>18463565Suddenly allying with russians against your country to plunge it into civil war just because you think whitey will take Constantinople and then getting killed when your bet failed.The Armenians bet on the british, french and russians, and surprise these crackers didn't defend them.
>>18463572ok but did you learn that anatolia wasn't in the balkans though lmao
>>18463567If cow meat is ok, why not cow dung?
>>18463576especially if it's brainwashed cow dung like most muslims
>>18463411So you should start with Volga Tartars, they are the oldest mudslime population in Europe.
>>18463572>The Armenians bet on the british, french and russians, and surprise these crackers didn't defend them.can't blame them for asking for help after getting massacred by genocidal turks in the balkan region of anatolia
Per the user's own argumentation the Volga Tartars are not indigenous to the Volga Basin but are mudslime invaders. Volga Tartars have been mudslimes since the 10th century, this is longer than Turks and Caucasians, they are the ultra-mudslime invaders of Europa, the first of the chopping block, the fiends, the menaces.
>>18463582All this false flagging about killing muslims is very interesting. Nobody is asking for that. I just wanted Turks to have some balls and admit their crimes without hiding behind other nations, not to masscre them.
>>18463585didn't know germans were indian
>>18463588Pakistanis and Western Aryans are brothers in arms and under siege against Tartar villainesses.
>>18463591it's funny that everytime pakistan is mentioned the most hilarious schizo posting manifests
>>18463572>Suddenly allying with russians against your country to plunge it into civil war Turks began their massacres pre-emptively.Turks project notions of betrayal onto others. If they think you have something to gain by betraying them they'll kill you (ie betray you first). They'll kill their own kin to retain power. Assyrians had a good reputation among Ottomans, beginning in August-October of 1914. They feared Assyrians would ally with Iran in WW1. Iran remained neutral in WW1 yet Ottomans invaded Northern Iran to massacre Assyrians.Turks have a habit of killing people preemptively. The Ottomans didn't spare their half-brothers from fratricide. Why would they care about some people they're unrelated to on the other side of their empire?https://youtu.be/vN7LgUIOAVw?t=240
>>18461904Armenoids were an influential and privileged group within the Ottoman Empire and were known as the jews of the empire. I don’t really care if it happened or not because either way they deserved it by repaying our kindness with allying with russhits to backstab us. Im only saddened by the fact that Ottomans didn’t do what they did to the Armenoids on a much larger scale to all christkike euroaches they came across
>>18463594I agree what was done to the syrian arab judeochristians was unjust as they were a loyal people but reekjeets got what they deserved
>>18463581Unironically if they had rebelled most of them would have survived. Arabs launched a successful revolt against the Ottomans. >le you were going to rebel so we killed you
>>18460238You have to appreciate how traumatic the breakup of the Ottoman Empire was for the Turk. They're haunted by memories of their people suffering ethnic cleansing or genocide all over the Balkans, Caucasus, Crimea, the Hellenic world, and even in Anatolia itself. A significant proportion of the modern Turkish population descend from refugees from those places.If you just go at them with the idea that they should accept that their forefathers were war criminals they'll shrug you off because that's how they see all their neighbours too. That's why you typically get the "we didn't do it, but if we did, they totally deserved it" perspective if you talk to them about it. You need a truth and reconciliation process involving everyone regionally where all the historic crimes are handled holistically rather than focusing simply on what the Turks did if you want to make any progress with them. They're not going to apologise to Armenia while everyone around them ignores the shit they did to their forefathers. The idea that you can get them to do that with enough political/diplomatic pressure is fanciful. Turkey has too much geo-political value to get cornered like that.
>>18463594They were already serving in the russian empire in large numbers and the ARF was launching attacks against the Ottomans with russian help>>18463605>I agree what was done to the syrian arab judeochristians was unjust as they were a loyal people but reekjeets got what they deservedNo they weren’t, they were bloodthirsty bandits allied with russia and nothing really happened to them except for some isolated instances. In reality they should’ve gotten the armenoid treatment
>>18462076>poisoned by the toxin of NationalismBy the time WW1 broke out, the leaders of the Ottoman Empire were secular nationalist Turks. The Sultan had been deposed in the 1908 Young Turk revolution. They were looking to modernize the country via Western ideals of nationalism and republicanism. This program of secular reform was later completed by Ataturk.
If you hate Turks why would you want them to recognize the Armenian Genocide anyways. They are the only ones to benefit from such a thing, Armenians have actual problems with Azerbaijan.
>>18463611>They were already serving in the russian empire in large numbers and the ARF was launching attacks against the Ottomans with russian helpThis is like the English charging William Wallace for betrayal (pic related).In this case the Ottomans killing off their own Ottoman-Armenian citizens didn't solve anything as those Armenians were living in Russia and comprise the people living in modern day Armenia. They were former subjects of Iran prior to the Treaty of Turkmenchay and had no allegiance to the Ottoman Empire. Similarly, ethnic Turks living in Iran fought against the Ottomans in the Ottoman-Iran wars. Of course this is the sort of decision making you see in a collapsing empire.
>>18463388Good, turks deserve that and worse
>>18463633You blame them for killing everyone in self defense. They were trying to divide the Turkish state
>>18463594>Turks began their massacres pre-emptively. No. But it had already happened to them in the balkans before this.
>>18460238We are not regretful for anything. We will come back and kill even more and take back our lost lands. Very very soon the time will come.
