The rainbow serpent and the san african rain serpent are the same god. How could this occur?
>>18460340Thr materialist explanation would be that culture is somewhat genetic; We all descend overwhelmingly from a single population, so it makes sense that we'd think somewhat similarly to them and thus each other.
>>18460346The cooler explanation would obviously be that the rain/rainbow serpent is at least somewhat real.
>>18460340Can't two different people just make up a story about a snake it doesn't seem that impressive to me
The actual explanation is that they are completely unrelated and any academics saying otherwise are grifters trying to get attention
>>18460346>>18460349>>18460352>>18460353The only rational argument I could come up with;>d'huy's phylogenetic reconstruction is accurate >the proto-serpent myth predates 100k>the serpent is the void in the milky way they saw looking upHowever this completely falls apart when the aboriginals then go even further to describe the rainbow serpent giving birth to a half human half serpent that goes on to guide people and so on. It breaks down into the naga myth. They go even further, some say they were sculpted out of clay by these half serpents.They could not have been isolated. There is no way that myth made it to a people who were isolated for 65000 years (new figures pushing it to 80k). It's too specific guys.
>>18460361You described the Aboriginal myth, what are the specific similarities to the African one?
>>18460340A rainbow kinda looks like a snake. A rainbow occurs in connection with the rain.Other cultures also associated rainbows and/or rain with some sort of serpent.You're welcome.
>>18460374It's the exact same creature. So the rainbow serpent, the san african rain serpent and the fon dan ayido hwedo match exactly in; colour, form, function, abilities, shapeshifting, creation, menstration, interaction via trace, underworld habitat. Specifics such as the crystal or pearl headdress. They all literally support the world from the underworld.
>>18460388Source on the San rain serpent shapeshifting, creating humans and being associated with menstruation?
>>18460388I don't even believe those characteristics match between individual tellers within those cultures, much less between the cultures.
>>18460389>>18460390"Rain Serpents in Northern Australia and Southern Africa - A Common Ancestry? Proof In Human Origins: Contributions from Social Anthropology" (2017) was edited by C. Power, M. Finnegan, and H. Callan
>>18460390Also for you specifically. The cave art in the area supports the oral history of the rain serpent. They depict shapeshifters with their hands held high trying to make it rain all over their art.
>>18460401And it is exactly consistent on all ends of Australia in pre-European contact material?
>>18460405It is the ONLY consistent belief held by the 500+ indigenous australian tribes across 200+ different languages.
>>18460340the snake is a penis, get trolled
>>18460415I do not accept this, that is clearly falsified.
>>18460418And this is why I ask.To reiterate. The rainbow serpent is their only consistent belief and originally it was likely over 300 languages but a lot of them and the stories were forever lost with their people.
>>18460340>>18460346rainbows look like serpents.waterspouts look like serpents.no matter in the world or what heritage you may have,- the most basic "magical" creature you could possibly come up with would be these two somewhat rare phenomena.it would be much more convincing as a cultural carryover if it wasn't an incredibly basic visual feature of nature, like if it for example was a 4-winged horse.tldr;It's a visual onomatopoaetic nothingburger.
>>18460431Debunked by d'huy's phylogenetic reconstruction last year.
>>18460432a better version of what I tried to say;we don't know wether the myth got applied to other different naturalistic visual phenomena after leaving africa, only to be re-introduced onto the original phenomena due to happening more often and in the required orders to make the story work. if for example the upper atmosphere got flooded with steam and ice crystals from nearby volcanic eruptions or the melting of the icecaps causing regional permanent visual blocking of the orion constellation, it would be natural to revert back to the naturalistic hunting myth that excluded Orion and instead focused on the rainbow.tldr;take a lesson from population genetics and apply it to mythmaking and preservation of these. how would a mythical bottleneck, like the disappearance of the phenomena used to tell the story by, affect the story and how would have gotten transferred.
Sounds like you just want it to be real because then it would make you feel happy
>>18460340Probably because rainbows exist everywhere.
>>18460340>How could this occur?Pictorally guided storytelling is more accurate than we want to believe. Native American tribes have entire tales that are alluded to by a single glyph. The glyphs are a proto-writing system that are symbols of a founding myth. If the glyphs remain the same, then the story remains the same.
>>18460340the 65000 years are made up and fakethe events that created serpent snake happened not that long ago
