Greetings.This is not intended to be a bad-faith discussion. If you're going to use meme-speak then do so, but your opinion will be discarded.I have a few questions concering the Christian worldview:>1. Do you view God as a man in the sky, or does God constitute a "force"?>2. The New Testament contradicts itself many, many times. It is glaringly apparent that Peter and Paul were at odds with each other concerning doctrinal disputes over circumcision, dietary habits and so on.>Another glaring contradiction is not so much in the broad strokes, but also in the subtle details. For instance, one gospel notes that the robe Jesus wore after being flogged was red, while another says it was purple.>Eyewitness accounts of his crucifixion from the gospels also vary drastically; some claim he didn't drink from the cup, others say he did. Some say he spoke the words, others didn't.>Paul claims that salvation comes through faith, James and the other disciples claim it is works (no, this is not a misinterpretation. Go back to the original Koine).>We are told that Paul is a Roman citizen. How exactly did Paul, A Jew, manage to get Roman Citizenship? Especially considering he was a student of Gamaliel.>There are numerous holes in Paul's life. The literary quality of the NT takes a drastic step down from the OT (with the exception of Revelation), Paul also miraculously sees Jesus and proclaims himself a divinely appointed apostle; essentially usurping authority from the others on the Gentile mission.>TLDR: None of this coherently adds up.
>not bad-faith thread>bait imagedidn't read btw
>>18460865>bait imageHow is that bait?It exemplifies the false image promulgated by Rome (White, long haired Jesus) vs the most likely historical probability.
>>18460862>This is not intended to be a bad-faith discussionWell too bad.
>>18460865FPBPOP is a fag as per usual.>>18460869kys jeet
>>184608621. Neither, God is an immaterial spirit who exists beyond creation and by nature, whose being is infinitely greater in every way compared to man and therefore incomprehensible 2. There are no contradictions in scripture.
>>18460865FPBP
>>18460862well the things attested by christians aren't real. that much is obvious. you're not genuinely trying to bridge the gap here. you and I know it's fake, and you're just providing facts that support this. you can't really call it a good faith post. no christian is going to be interested in refuting this because they ultimately believe in fake nonsense. I wouldn't try if I were you. people don't become christians because they want to dissect and analyze a factual world. they want to feel good.
>>18460980There are a load of contradictions in scripture.
>>18460993I don’t share this presupposition.
>>18461005Its not a presupposition, it's a derived fact from the fact that the bible contains contradictions. We do not "presuppose" that it has contradictions, we observe that it does.
>>18460862Jesus wasn't contaminated with the dark taint of you hell-spawned demons.
>>18461010No, you presuppose that there is no God who can speak and therefore a book as large with as many authors produced across as much time as the bible must contain contradiction. Nor did I determine that scripture is free of error and contradiction because I took a survey of everything the bible says and it cleared my test. Rather, I know with certainty there are no contradictions in scripture a priori following from the theological presupposition that the bible is in its totality the speech of God who cannot err.Let’s take your weakest, least defensible example for example>>Paul claims that salvation comes through faith, James and the other disciples claim it is works (no, this is not a misinterpretation. Go back to the original Koine).But for this assertion that it’s “not a misinterpretation” (preempting the objection that you know very well I will make) we have the compelling exegesis of “trust me bro”, nor is “just check the Greek bro” an argument of any kind under any circumstances. However, I note the following facts: 1. You can’t read Greek 2. The many many scholars who produced the many bible translations you’re implicitly disputing (though as yet we don’t know how) could read Greek 3. The Protestant reformers, church fathers etc. could read GreekSo not only is this completely empty as an attack on the consistency of scripture, I take at as evidence of my prior contention that your belief in biblical contradictions is presuppositional in nature, because how else can we explain such abject logical blunders at this place except that you are as biased about the subject as me?
>>18461013>hell-spawned demonsNo such thing exists, blacks and browns aren’t demons
>>18461031lol
>>184608621. he's a force, but also a trinity of entities2. the conflicts are fairly superficial, but yea, I don't think you have to copy paul to be a christian3. wait, you're just listing more minor discrepancies, without numbers. 4. i thought this was supposed to be a good faith discussion?
>>18460869It's bait because he hates brown people.
>>18461013>>18461035Christogenea shitter post
>>18461093Your christovagina blog is a retarded fed honeypot that nobody in their right mind would associate with.
>>18460869Letters from Pontius Pilate to Emperor Tiberius describe Jesus as being fair-skinned and having chestnut hair.
>>18461091To be fair this image is basically as baseless as any other as a “reconstruction” of the Lord’s likeness and is almost exclusively used on this board by shitposting atheists to mock Him.t. non-racist Christian
>>18460862You're getting off the wrong foot already by assuming "bad faith" which is a 20th century conception that is inapplicable to ancient concepts. Context matters.
>>18461110Those letters literally aren't real, they are 15th century forgeries. We have no writings from Pilate
>>18461949According to whom?
>>18462430The carbon dating of the letters.
>>18462555unless you possess the original manuscript that’s literally worthless for dating the text
>>18460862The Father, the Son who sits at the right hand of the Father in heaven and the Holy Spirit who dwells within us who believe.Same as today. Notice that? They're Christians over there but different? Are people getting saved? I can learn in proportion to my faith about it. Some Christians says Birthday cake is witchcraft and chips are demonic. I see the vision and don't play the blame game.A color where someone could've said scarlet and some could've said purple. Gospel according to John, Mark etc.Talking about Abraham's faith justifying and believing for Isaac and salvation through grace so that you don't boast of yourself. Sounds like some good stuff. Of course we Koine no casuals here but you wouldn't even need that. Not even joking.Hawaii American Citizenship. Not even joking.No it doesn't that's Hebrew glaze. That's weirdo stuff. Read Chronicles. Oh no! Literary Quality down. Not even joking.Did it say Paul declared himself or Galatians 1:1? Did the word of God come through Moses or did Moses pick himself cuz why is not Moses picked himself cuz inner dawg. Not even joking.Did I lie to you? Am I playing games with you? Be tolerant, okay? Let no bad faith actors escape.
Core fundamental of Christianity is disguising pure goodwill as flawed manipulative nonsense to deprave of it those who in fact do not deserve to be happy.
>>18460869>vs the most likely historical probabilityIt's a reconstruction of a skull they found in the area. It is one of the faces you can be 100% sure is not Jesus
God is a spirit (John 4:24), and salvation in this current age is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in his place as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10).The reason why there are conflicting statements is because there are books in the New Testament that are not mainly doctrine for Christians, for example James is writing to "the twelve tribes" of Israel (James 1:1). If you say that Peter and the other apostles disagreed with Paul a bout salvation in this current age, In Acts 15, James, all the apostles and elders, Paul and Barnabas are present when Peter agrees and is proclaiming salvation is only by grace trough faith, and that there's no salvation by law, or works involved to keep your salvation. Everyone there is in agreement. In acts there is transition of going from Jews to gentiles (Acts 15:7-11). God does things differently in different time periods. In the tribulation people will not be saved by faith alone, but by works like not taking the mark of the beast, and how well they have kept the commandments, how well Gentiles have taken care of the Jews etc.Notice in early acts when Peter and the other 12 apostles (Paul is not part of the 12 (Number of the Jews), but an apostle for the Gentiles. Paul didn't preach the same gospel because it was revealed to him specifically by Jesus Christ1 Timothy 1:11“According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.”Right now everyone is saved the gentile way until "the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" where God switches from the Gentiles to Israel in the great tribulation.Romans 11:25“For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”Dispensations:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFIc5Y7xpsJIvVrGdYpWTo3fdoOB7NBXo
>>18463972>God does things differently in different time periodsdispensation is a jewish heresy invented in the 1830s to destroy the body of Christ and its members
>>18461127Its baseless but probably closer to the truth than long haired European Jesus. From what i hear, the bible does not mention any notable physical traits about Jesus so he probably didnt particularly stand out too much from the norm. The norm being tanned skinned, bearded and short haired people
>>18460865kino. don't let those antichrists pollute your mind
>>18460862>This is not intended to be a bad-faith discussionred flag
>>18460862>>1. Do you view God as a man in the sky, or does God constitute a "force"?no>>2. The New Testament contradicts itself many, many times.you didn't show thatIt is glaringly apparent that Peter and Paul were at odds with each other concerning doctrinal disputes over circumcision, dietary habits and so on.you didn't show that>>Another glaring contradiction0+0=0, this would be your first>is not so much in the broad strokes, but also in the subtle details.waiting>For instance, one gospel notes that the robe Jesus wore after being flogged was red, while another says it was purple.and what is the contradiction? people interpret colors differently? color theory disproves god? is that your good-faith argument? ok buddy!>>Eyewitness accounts of his crucifixion from the gospels also vary drastically; some claim he didn't drink from the cup, others say he did. Some say he spoke the words, others didn't.subjective accounts of events prove that people experience things subjectively. where is the contradiction? people are unreliable so god not real? ok buddy>>Paul claims that salvation comes through faith, James and the other disciples claim it is works (no, this is not a misinterpretation. Go back to the original Koine).these are not mutually exclusive, what's the contradiction?>>We are told that Paul is a Roman citizen. How exactly did Paul, A Jew, manage to get Roman Citizenship? Especially considering he was a student of Gamaliel.historical unkowns are not a contradiction>>There are numerous holes in Paul's life.we don't know much about jesus' life. so what?>The literary quality of the NT takes a drastic step down from the OT (with the exception of Revelation),to you>Paul also miraculously sees Jesus and proclaims himself a divinely appointed apostle; essentially usurping authority from the others on the Gentile mission.and?>>TLDR: None of this coherently adds up.to younot a single argument or contradiction
>>18460869>the most likely historical probabilityAn artistic facial reconstruction of archaeological finds of people who were not Jesus is not representative of the appearance of Jesus.
>>18461010>observePresuppositions are the choices of how we define our observations.No one has denied that you have observed something. You have presupposed a definition of that observation, and you are unwilling to accept an alternate explaination.With God, all things are possible, and you are choosing to limit yourself.When the immovable stone is moved, you will see an empty tomb. Where have they put our Lord?
