is the appearance of sex-deprived bitter men unique to our time or are there historical precedents for it? not a foid, btw, just morbidly curious.
>>18461294edward gibbon was an incel iirc
>>18461314No, he was just a bachelor.>>18461294It was much easier to have sex back then so the only incels were mentally ill autists like Cavendish, Newton and Tesla. Even then Tesla was a volcel who was constantly approached by women but he would reject them
>>18461294steroids and a gym membership could've saved him
>>18461294I think in the 19th century you had quite a few in the west who could not find women of the quality they thought they deserved. It's not that they could not get sex, prostitutes were everywhere. but some had religious hangups and of course publicly being associated with lower class women was bad for your reputation. Then like now, it was not (just) about the sex, it is about the status.
>>18461294They did exist, but they were less common. You have to understand that infanticide was common back then (this trend basically stayed like this till the 60s in the first world and even later for the third world). Children with disabilities would generally get murdered by the parents because it takes more effort to raise them and children with deformities would get the same treatment too for icking out the community. Also it's a common superstition to believe that disabilities/deformities are caused by demonic/jinn possession; so (since people where more superstitious/religious back then) they would removed the so called demonic element. Also helicopter parenting was not a thing back then; so autistic children would just wander off and die. All of these factors would make incels less common; because they wouldn't even survive till adolescence to even become incels.And further more, the less regulated sex market of today is infinitely better for sub3s since they at least have a 0.1% chance of pity sex or a drunk hookup. Whereas the marriage centric market of before would've made them have a 0% chance of getting any intimacy. Since even in religious/traditional societies; sub3s would still not be a marriageable option. But the difference now is that sex is only allowed in marriage; so these sub3s will not get any action.
>>18461294I once read a 19th century German novel where a rise in gold digging prenups led to an incel revolution that completely removed the females from the public, politics and the economy.>>18461451I'm reasonably certain he didn't want to have sex with other males or older women.
>>18461547Novel name?
Back in the day, it related more to your economic status than personality. So if you're rich, you'll find someone to marry, if you're poor, you're probably busy just staying alive or busy killing yourself to get money. You didn't really have the spare time to be an incel.
>>18461294https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nian_Rebellion>Political scientists Valerie Hudson and Andrea den Boer suggest that the rebellion was fueled, at least in part, by decades of female infanticide caused by the flood-related economic misery, leading to a large population of frustrated young men without any women to marry, perhaps as many as a quarter of all young men in the area being in this category of "bare branches".[13][14]
>>18461554it was easier and economically more sensible for poor people to shack up, unless you are talking about actually destitute.
I think it was more common. François Marie Charles Fourier wrote about this and theorizes about an incel socialist help group.I mean it's so easy to get attractive and fit in mode times and learn game. Back in the day it was harder, you had to have status and father approval
>>18461294mass culture hyperfocused on sex/put sex on pedestal
>>18461566>Back in the day it was harder, you had to have status and father approvalDefinitely not lmao, the vast majority of the population of any given country were peasants, serfs, and the like, who had no problem reproducing. Often it was through arranged marriages.
>>18461553Rautenstrauch, Johann Die Frauenzimmer im neunzehnten Jahrhundert: ein Traumgesicht
>>18461607>Often it was through arranged marriages.Only the nobility did formal arrangements. The peasantry at most did a simple betrothal which involved, as that other anon mentioned, a young man asking a girl's father for permission to marry her. Matters of dowry and such were usually only a concern for free peasants, but serfs and other bonded peoples would have to ask permission from their lord in order to marry.
>>18461533>And further more, the less regulated sex market of today is infinitely better for sub3s since they at least have a 0.1% chance of pity sex or a drunk hookupTotal delulu
>>18461294its literally what motivated 99% of conquests in history. the men couldn't get laid in their home area so they invaded places to force other women to have sex with them. all you gotta do is line up the y-dna haplogroup map next to the mtdna one to see this.
>>18461294>skinny hapaHe would have unironically slayed white and Asian ltbs today
>>18462035>all you gotta do is line up the y-dna haplogroup map next to the mtdna oneWhat does that mean? I don't speak haplo
>>18461294Depends on how you define sex deprived.Nowadays most incels are only incels in the social and emotional sense, if they just wanted sex they could hire a prostitute.Historically, it owuld have been much the same: many men would have had a hard time finding a wife, but prostitution was universal and minimally frowned upon to partake in.So in effect the only peculiarity of today's incels is the largely socially mandated unwillingness to hire whores.
>>18462243male migration patterns don't match female migration patterns. large amounts of men moved from point a to point b (didn't bring any women with them) but somehow outreproduced the men who already living there. hmm. i wonder what happened. maybe they just had more confidence and better personalities than the native men.
>>18462269I think i just realized something
>>18462261I don't think its really that simple however. A whore or your hand is no substitute for a living, breathing girlfriend. But no such word exists for that specific designation, so "incel" is used as a replacement pejorative.
>>18461612>The peasantry at most did a simple betrothal which involved, as that other anon mentioned, a young man asking a girl's father for permission to marry her.Or in other words, an arranged marriage
>>18461557>>18461533Why do they always kill mostly girls? Were people everywhere so stupid they never thought of the consequences of killing 90% of the girls and letting almost all the boys live? This happened everywhere, european households also prioritized sons over daughters
>>18461294No. You could just Rape
>>18461314stupid sexy robot
>>18462357There were limits to this and most organized peoples with women did something to protect them. But yeah there was no 911 or Geneva Convention if a group of men were strong and armed enough to overpower and rape a village.
>>18462436I think rape was usually done in war and conquest. And in marriage of course, since marital rape wasn't a concept.Outside of that, wasn't rape in patriarchal societies seen as a crime against the woman's husband (property damage)?
>>18462455This actually sounds much more reasonable than what we have going on right now.
>>18462353I dunno about the peasant underclass but in the nobility retarded men could still rule. A retarded woman would not only have the impulsive emotions of a woman but also have the added consequence of being mentally stunted. Its a toxic combination.
>>18462353Women sold out their own familys and people to endless immigration and birth no kids, nor produce labour why shouldnt women be femicided? Women either adjust or men will from a darwinistic perspective eventually(rightfully so) slaughter all the hag woman
>>18461533>marriage centric marketThis would increase their chances of.hooking up, because there would be a ratio of 1:1. It wouldn't just be one Chad marrying everyone, unless its a community that believed in polygamy.
