>coordinates of the apex are 29.9791750°Nspeed of light is 299,792,458 m/s>pyramidion is exactly 1m tall1m also happens to correspond to one ten-millionth of the distance from the North Pole to the EquatorWe're told these are just coincidences. No, this is not an ancient aliens thread. And if I have to posit a theory, I'd say the builders of the Great Pyramid of Giza possessed knowledge from an earlier civilization and building that pyramid was basically a civilization's masterwork to show their engineering, mathematical, astronomical and geographical skills for people thousands of years in the future.Some other technical feats:>it has 8 sides, all perfectly symmetricalit becomes obvious to the naked eye on the spring equinox, and only then. another coincidence.>the chambers of the pyramid bisect the height of the pyramid into various ratios of Pi>the shafts going from the chambers are perfectly straight>shafts take the absolute shortest path from the chambers to the surfaceon one side the chamber is "offset" from the center, so the shaft has to run horizontally for a bit, but then the angle is adjusted so that it reaches the surface in the shortest distance>sides have an error of 0.05m, on 240m that's 0.02%that's fucking insane>all the feats related to the "King's chamber">the list goes on...I think people dismissing the pyramids as a "pile of rocks" stems from both not knowing all the technical feats that were placed into a single structure, and people not knowing how difficult some of these things are to achieve. And then you scale it up to such a huge structure and it's literally a fucking mysterious wonder. And we're supposed to believe it was built with copper chisels, stone hammers, rope and elbow grease. They just eyeballed the measurements.And they never found a body, mummy or any actual evidence that the Great pyramid of Giza, or any pyramid for that matter, was built as a tomb.
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>> or any actual evidence that the Great pyramid of Giza, or any pyramid for that matter, was built as a tomb.>>>>or any pyramid for that matter, was built as a tomb.Just one example: The Pyramid of Unas contains the sarcophagos of Unas with his coffin, the body was stolen unfortunately, and the walls are filled with funerary texts, explaining Unas' travel to the afterlife. What else could it be but a tomb?
>>18463601That pyramid also had text inscriptions on the inside. It could very well have been a tomb made as an attempted copy of the pyramids. Ancient Egyptians could have found the Great Pyramid of Giza, and perhaps the Sphinx, and then decided to settle there and base their culture on it.Pic rel is the Pyramid of Unas. A far cry from Giza.
>>18463463or maybe the egyptians built the pyramid all by themselves because not everyone is retarded as you are, faggot OP
>>18463620thats just a pile of sand!
>>18463463>1m also happens to correspond to one ten-millionth of the distance from the North Pole to the EquatorYou might want to look that up.
>>18463463Hi Graham. if you put your mind to it, you could find coincidences and feats for just about any structure. for example, the Empire State Building is 1250 ft tall, which is suspiciously close to 1/1000th of the Earth’s polar radius in miles if you pick the right unit conversion and rounding. spooky right, until you remember that choosing the unit after the fact is the whole trick.>And they never found a body, mummy or any actual evidence that the Great pyramid of Giza, or any pyramid for that matter, was built as a tomb.the pyramids were 100% tombs for elites. they were monumental expression of funerary practices that had already been developing for millennia in the Nile Valley and adjacent Sudanese Neolithic/Saharan zones. Egypt, Nubia, and central Sudan, marked especially by shared burial practices, body decoration, cattle symbolism, and the repeated use of cemeteries as territorial/ancestral places. Please read actual grounded archeology .
>>18463726forgive reddit spacing lel, i rushed
>>18463709European pyramids are so much cleaner and more symmetrical btw>b-but they're smalleryeah, much better to flex with your skill and technology than hurr big rock stack
>>18463463not actually the coordinates of the apex btwhttps://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/05/the-pyramid-and-the-garden/
Thoth built the pyramids and all the pyramids around the earth.
>>18463463The difference between 299,792,458 and 29.9791750 is 299,792,428.020825. That's not close at all.>wait, obviously you're supposed to convert the speed of light to tens of millions of meters/second!Why?>because otherwise the digits don't line up decimallyNot my problem.>err, I meant to say, a meter is 1/10,000,000 of the distance from the north pole to the equator, so 29.972 would be the speed of light in terms of a quarter of the circumference through the poles or something...That distance is actually something like 10,001,965.8 m, so the speed of light would be 29.9733536 times that, not 29.9792458 (or 29.9791750)29.9733536°N is off the pyramid btw.>uh, look, obviously they didn't have perfect precision... The original definition of the meter was based on a loose measurement of the polar quarter-circumference from the year 1793, the error was discovered long before the speed of light was measured to any decent precision. Why are we comparing angle degrees to speeds anyway?
>>18463726>the first five pyramids were the best>then they get worse over timeHow does that happen?They say it took them 27 years to build the great pyramid of giza, because that's how long reign of Khufu was. The pyramid has over 2 million blocks, ranging from 2 tons to like 50 tons, plus the granite blocks that make up the chambers and the granite surfance on which the pyramid is built. But lets say 2 million. The rocks were quarried 50km away. To complete it in 27 years, that means one block quarried, transported, chiseled to shape, moved and lifted into place every 2 minutes. They didn't have cranes and their boats were made of bundles of reed.The historians also say most of the workforce were farmers during off season doing it for the love of the pharaoh, and maybe barley beer. Do future pharaohs have less of an ability to muster a workforce?There was a pharaoh who built two pyramids. If they are tombs, why would he need two? Why does the great pyramid of giza have three chambers if there is one pharaoh?The assumption that pyramids are tombs is sacred dogma and no one is allowed to even question that dogma. Everything weird in Egypt is explained by "it was for religious or burial services". How convenient.The violent and viotriolic reaction to the suggestion that pyramids aren't tombs tells you all you need to know about how backed by evidence their theories are.
Just a reminder that the internal ramps theory is correct.
>>18463910How did they build the shafts?They'd have to do them layer by layer, but they got them uniform and perfectly straight that accomplishing that would be crazy.The shafts didn't penetrate the surface of the pyramid or the chambers. They found them later after hearing a hollow sound when tapping the wall in certain places.Makes you wonder, why go through all that trouble? Unless you're trying to tell others, in the future, that you were an advanced civilization.If all of these things were spread out across different pyramids and buildings we could ascribe it to styles or whatever. But the fact is that all of them are found in one, single building. And we're supposed to think it is all one big coincidence? If true, then the wonder isn't the pyramid itself, but all the fucking coincidences surrounding it. Someone was trying to tell us something. The "message" could have been as simple as "Hey, we existed, we knew shit, we had cool tools." After thousands of years everything falls apart, wood, metal, plastic... but not stone. Where they needed to show off their precision cutting skills, like the "king's chamber", they chose granite. Famously heavy and difficult to work. The king's chamber is a perfect 1:2 rectangle (golden ratio), precise to 1 cm.And whoever built the great pyramid left no inscription, name, symbol, hieroglyph, nothing. As if the pyramid itself was the message. That's another problem with the tomb theory. If it is a vanity project for a pharaoh, why not put your name on it?>inb4 they found his signatureYeah, in a chamber above the "King's chamber", written with red paint, and right next to it are a bunch of other tourist signatures, most of them from England. Maybe it was their tomb too!
>>18463939The funny thing is there is no direct evidence that Khufu (or Khafre) or whoever built the pyramid. They just "figured it out" from context clues. The Egyptologist who found Khufus (or Khafres) graffiti did it at the end of his research run when funding was drying up and everyone was saying he was wrong. Well he sure showed them! Just another coincidence.One doesn't need to come up with aliens or random theories, like that idiot Hancock, with his audio-spiritual levitation bullshit. One just needs to point at the pyramid and that "egyptologists" and historians hadn't adequately explained shit.
>>18463955They took some chisels to stone and out came math.
>>18463956"Egyptologists" deny that ancient egyptians knew about Pi or Phi. They just got lucky.
>>18463899>>the first five pyramids were the best>>then they get worse over time>How does that happen?happens all the time when a state reaches a peak of centralization/resources, then priorities, economy, labor organization, politics, and religious fashion change. Look at the decline of architectural aesthetics even in our own lifetimes.>“one block every 2 minutes” lol you're imagining that one crew is doing one linear task at a time. it would’ve been parallel work: quarry crews, transport crews, ramp/hauling crews, masons, provisioning, etc. not 1 guy mining a block, dragging it 50km, polishing it, then personally placing it before the stopwatch resets.also, they weren’t moving every stone 50km. most of the core limestone was local. the finer casing came fro across the Nile, and the granite came from Aswan. not to mention the Nile river bank that existed at the time which was only recently discovered. >There was a pharaoh who built two pyramids. If they are tombs, why would he need two? Why does the great pyramid of giza have three chambers if there is one pharaoh?because royal pyramid building was still developing. the Meidum pyramid failed/was abandoned or repurposed, the Bent Pyramid had design issues, and the Red Pyramid became the successful one. it was experimental, trial and error. same with the chambers, plans changed during construction. that is actually a normal explanation, large projects get redesigned.>The assumption that pyramids are tombs is sacred dogma and no one is allowed to even question that dogma. Everything weird in Egypt is explained by "it was for religious or burial services". How convenient.>The violent and viotriolic reaction to the suggestion that pyramids aren't tombs tells you all you need to know about how backed by evidence their theories are.There's plenty of plain evidence for eyes to see. Study real archeology and anthropology anon.
>>18463960you can do this with basically any building if you’re allowed to pick the dimensions after the fact btw. look at any random modern skyscraper. It has height, base width, diagonal, roofline, floor count, window count, spire height, setbacks, latitude, longitude, street address, opening date, etc. Start dividing those by each other and you’ll find pi, phi, √2, √3, the speed of light, your mom’s birthday, whatever. a normal rectangular building has a diagonal. If the width and height are close to certain proportions, now you’ve “encoded” √2 or φ. A dome gives you circles, so now π appears. A sloped roof gives you trig ratios. None of that means the architect was intentionally encoding anything
>>18463955no evidence. this methodology is just start with a pyramid, draw lines on it, choose the convenient measurements, round a bit, and then announce the conspiracy theory lel
>>18463910>Just a reminder that the internal ramps theory is correct.>>18463939>How did they build the shafts?>They'd have to do them layer by layer,That's exactly how they did it, like an ancient human powered 3D printer.
>>18464249>you can do this with basically any building if you’re allowed to pick the dimensions after the fact btw.Except they're not wild guesses at all. The dimensions of the "King's chamber" prove to us that the builders cared about dimensions and ratios. Or let me guess, the "King's chamber's" dimensions (>>18463955) are a coincidence?>"You can do it to any building!"I hate liberals so fucking much it's unreal.>>18464646>That's exactly how they did it, like an ancient human powered 3D printer.If you look at the shafts, you'll realize that that is impossible. Try to imagine what it'd take to make one shaft, but they did 4. No curves, bends, misalignments. Then think about the sheer scale of it (pyramid is 150m tall) and 240m wide at the base.>>18463939I just noticed something here.>pic relEncyclopedia Britannica labels the shafts "air shafts". How can they be air shafts when they never reached the chamber or the surface? The openings had to be chiseled in the modern day.So much BS and people will just swallow it up without a moment of critical thinking.
>>18463732the pyramids probably looked better 8000 years ago with the limestone casing and the gold cap and all
>>18464679That also raises questions. Why build an 8-sided pyramid if you're just gonna cover it with casing stones?
>>18464669>>That's exactly how they did it, like an ancient human powered 3D printer.>If you look at the shafts, you'll realize that that is impossible.Nonsense, they were continually working on (ever smaller) flat smooth surface that made placement of the stone fairly easy.>Try to imagine what it'd take to make one shaft, but they did 4. No curves, bends, misalignments. Then think about the sheer scale of it (pyramid is 150m tall) and 240m wide at the base.That's an issue of building accuracy, not the type of building but considering what they did end up building, the ancient Egyptians clearly had the skills.
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>>18464724>they were continually working on (ever smaller) flat smooth surface that made placement of the stone fairly easy.I am talking about the four shafts going out from the chambers.>pic somewhat relatedNow consider the shafts are:>perfectly straight>uniformCan you attempt to imagine what it'd take to make it while building layer by layer. They also say the chambers were built first, and then the pyramid. Which meant they had to align the four shafts to pre-existing holes in the granite blocks as they built the pyramid layer by layer. Allowing for no mistakes. And they did it! Using ropes and sticks.
>>18464756The shafts could not have been dug after the fact because >1) the shafts didn't reach the chamberspic rel is the modern hole dug out to complete the shaft>2) the shafts are too narrow for humans to dig in (as in waaaaay too narrow)To clear it from dust and debris and dig out of the side of the pyramid they used a robot in the 90s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramidology>pseudoarchaeological: varying theories that deny the pyramids were built to serve exclusively as tombs for the Pharaohs; That's not how science works. Imagine if one wasn't allowed to question Rutherford's model of the atom. You can't just say that people aren't allowed to question one of your main assumptions. And then they call the shafts in the pyramid "air shafts". Like Britannica >>18463939 and "egyptologists", e.g. "Possible answer to Giza pyramid air-shaft construction puzzle" [https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jayaram-As/publication/350235695_Possible_answer_to_Giza_pyramid_air-shaft_construction_puzzle/links/6056ea6992851cd8ce5735e9/Possible-answer-to-Giza-pyramid-air-shaft-construction-puzzle.pdf]Which begs the question:>WHY DOES A TOMB NEED AIR SHAFTS?Closed ones at that. So they're not "air shafts" at all."Egyptology" is such bullshit. They're just making up shit. It was the Greeks in like 1000BC who said the pyramids were tombs. Good enough for egyptologists. Case fucking closed.
>>18463955Who the hell would build a room to the proportion of an angled triangle like that?
>>18464907That's the "King's chamber" in the Great Pyramid of Giza.
>>18464999Yes, but what I am complaining about is the diagram that is relying on the builders following an awkward angle that cuts across at a diagonal to force the ratio. A type of construction that no one trying to follow a type of sacred geometry would actually follow.
>>184650351) Who said it was "sacred geometry"? It's a display of mathematical knowledge and building prowess. Why does it need to be anything more?2) So you're saying it's a coincidence? They just built a rectangular room and it just so happens to have 2 3-4-5 triangles in it? Pure coincidence!
>>18465078What value would the building prowess have if the ratio wasn't sacred or otherwise meaningful to them in a philosophical/religious sense? If so, why would they include it at an oblique angle like that instead of something more regular?
>>18465146>in a philosophical/religious sense?it's meaningful in a mathematical sense. why math? because math is the universal language.>why would they include it at an oblique angle like that instead of something more regular?if it were more regular then you could say it was an accident. making it in the more difficult way shows intent.
>>18465220No, making it more difficult makes it more likely to coincidental, because you could start fudging angles and ratios as much as you'd want. "Math is the universal language" doesn't mean anything at all here, when you are claiming the presence of a specific ratio being used in construction with intentionality and a purpose behind its inclusion.
>>18465318>making it more difficult makes it more likely to coincidentalThat's not true at all. For the floor to be a 345 triangle, length would have to be 4 and width 3. That's something you can do on accident. Projecting the 2D 345 triangle in 3D space takes planning and calculation.
>>18463463Why did said civilization measure the speed of light in units defined by the French National Assembly in 1791?
>>18465388The meter could also be derived as a fraction of the circumference of the Earth. Ancient Egyptians knew where the geographic north pole is, since the great pyramid of Giza is oriented to north within 5° accuracy. Just another coincidence.
>>18465406>The meter could also be derived as a fraction of the circumference of the Earth. So they chose 1/10^7th of the polar circumference through Paris per 86164th of a sidereal day as the basis for their measurement of the speed of light, and then chose to express that value as a decimal of latitudinal degrees from the equator to a low degree of accuracy rather than their apparent preferred measurement unit of choice. And they built tombs there because...?
>>18465598NTA, but you can derive the meter from the royal cubit and vice versa.π/6=0.5235which is the length of a royal cubit in meters.Clear evidence the meter is Egyptian and they knew the dimensions of the earth with great precision. The frogs picking it up was likely masons reintroducing the old measure that they had inherited or rediscovered somehow.>inb4 more coincidence theories
>>18465742>The frogs picking it up was likely masons reintroducing the old measure that they had inherited or rediscovered somehow.Napoleon visited Giza with his army and famously spent a night alone in the pyramid. Much like Caesar and Alexander the Great. The French found the Rosetta stone, deciphered hieroglyphics. It's not far-fetched to say they could have taken the meter from the egyptians.>π/6=0.5235>which is the length of a royal cubit in meters.Egyptologists deny this, because they say ancient egyptians didn't know Pi.
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>>18465742>π/6=0.5235>which is the length of a royal cubit in meters.At the low end sure. They weren't that precise. The bounds were like 0.523 to 0.530.>Clear evidence the meter is Egyptian and they knew the dimensions of the earth with great precision. It's not clear evidence of anything, π/6 is arbitrary and it could've just as easily been π/n for some other n. To the same degree of accuracy you can claim 1 foot is e/9 meters. You're claiming that they started with the cubit, drew a circle with circumference of 6 cubits, and then used the resulting diameter as a unit of measurement in this scenario of expressing the speed of light as a co-ordinate in a yet another unit of measurement. >>18465987The metre was established before Napoleon first took power and before the Rosetta Stone was found. >It's not far-fetched to sayIt is extremely far-fetched. Are you also suggesting that they hid the evidence that the Egyptians used the metre for some reason before copying it?
>>18466053I'm not saying the Egyptians used the meter. I'm saying that while calculating shit from various measurements of the Earth, one of the values they got was the meter. So it's not about the meter, it's about them knowing the circumference of the Earth, one of the meridians at least. They also knew where geographic north is and knew about the movement of the Sun, Moon and stars. You need math for all of these things. Egyptologists say the Egyptians didn't know about Pi. But what if Egyptians knew more advanced math than we give them credit for?
these guys say the pyramid stones were cast in situ.https://sci-hub.su/10.1111/j.1551-2916.2006.01308.x>Precision surveying, masterful management, and expert craftsmanship in forming and placement of these massive blocks are implied.>And while at first blush the current paradigm appears plausible, on closer inspection the following problems are obvious: (i) quarrying limestone is wasteful, with substantial breakage; yet, waste piles of the expected magnitude are absent. (ii) Cu is soft, so chisels quickly blunt in carving limestone, requiring frequent sharpening, substantial supplies of Cu, slow work, and imperfect surfaces. As important, not a single Cu chisel was found on the Giza plateau. (iii) Ramps that can accommodate the range of blocks and hauling crews are projects comparable to the pyramids themselves; but no trace remains of the ramps.The fact that there are no limestone wastepiles can maybe be explained that the limestone was turned into quicklime for mortar. But with over 2.3M blocks, that's a lot of fucking quicklime and mortar, it'd need a corresponding amount of the other substances, not to mention all the fires needed to make the quicklime... nvm, the author of the paper thought it through.
>>18466095>I'm not saying the Egyptians used the meter. I'm saying that while calculating shit from various measurements of the Earth, one of the values they got was the meter. So it's not about the meter, it's about them knowing the circumference of the Earth, one of the meridians at least. No, it is about the meter, because the core argument is that the latitudinal co-ordinates encode the decimals of the speed of light in meters per second (to some power of 10), but latitudinal co-ordinates are not measured in meters, they are measured in degrees from the equator, so you need the meters per second value first. >They also knew where geographic north is and knew about the movement of the Sun, Moon and stars. Obviously, they were at a longitude where Polaris is directly north (and so is the Mediterranean for that matter). And every civilization ever has known about parallax and had someone keep track of the movement of celestial objects.If you were to claim that they had magnetic compasses, I would be *extremely* skeptical however.>You need math for all of these things. The development was the other way around, math was often developed to aid astronomy.>Egyptologists say the Egyptians didn't know about Pi.Which Egyptologists say this? The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus estimates it at 256/81.
>>18466146Oh, so they knew Pi. That is my mistake.>It then becomes quite reasonable to believe that the relationship between &pi and the Great Pyramid is just an accidental consequence of their Mathematics. https://sites.math.washington.edu/~greenber/PiPyr.htmlAlright, but there is yet another amazing feat.>pic rel13.1 acres of granite made flat to an inch. the platform on which the great pyramid of giza stands is made of granite. using nothing but copper tools and ropes.
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>>18463789>Why are we comparing angle degrees to speeds anyway?Sacred geometry niggers just have a goal to nootice deep esoteric code in literally any cool-looking thing they learn of. There are no consistent rules for what operations are permitted to find new nooticings. There is no exhaustive list of what numbers may or may not be constitute nooticings, aside from it needing to refer to something modern people would think sounds cool and important. No nooticer is lower himself to pedantic hairsplitting over what measurement systems may have actually been in use in a particular building at the time of construction. In this realm, to nootice is to succeed; to explain, the burden of lessers who allow themselves to be hindered by critical thinking.
>>18466197This thread has zero sacred geometry in it. We're actually discussing what they knew or didn't know based on features of the pyramid. I grant you that the speed of light and coordinates could be a coincidence. But then there's like 10 other things that are also explained as coincidences. e.g. >>18466186Why not assume that they used Pi on purpose? Why say it is a coincidence? The people who went to all that trouble wouldn't also meticulously plan the building as well? But then that doesn't jive well with their pet theory of it being a tomb, because then the building becomes the focus and not the pharaoh.
