Was Mansa Munsa really the richest person ever in history?
>>18463978https://youtu.be/-MeYYOvRhyw?si=yxlpEv_n98ykGp7uhe was white, it was a kingdom established by a white tribe to harvest black slaves and use black slaves to mine gold
>>18463978I don't want to make accusation but is intersting that whenever a /pol/tard is humiliated in an African related thread multiple baity African related thread start popping out.
>>18463978He was a myth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nzafFycvJc
>>18463978The correct but unfun answer is "we don't know". Problem is the claims of his wealth don't even come from malian historians but Arab sources that never met him. So it's basically Al-Umari, Ibn Battuta and Ibn Khaldun and not some well detailed inventory list of every penny he had. The Cairo story was probably true but outside of that we don't know much else. Also Mansa Musa wasn't the only Masna, technically speak I would say the Mansa before him was probably richer concidering he had the funds to build an exploratory fleet, get lost using it and the left over funds are what Manda Musa used himself. Also wealth pre GDP is a tricky subject. Mali wasn't the richest empire yet it's weird bigger empires and states had poorer rules.
He might have owned a lot of gold but there was only so much you could buy for that, especially in backwater mali.
The real and harsh truth is that we know virtually nothing about the so called "Mali Empire".We don't know the name and location of its capital city, we don't know its exact extend or borders....hell we don't even know what the actual name of this entity really was (Mali is an exonym).Mali was an extremely isolated kangzdom, cut away from the civilized world by a massive desert that few people ever crossed.And Mali didn't keep any kind of records (there are a few very local records for Timbuktu, but mainly from the Songhai era, so after Mali's downfall).Everything we "know" about the Mali Empire is based on three vague external arabic sources: Al-Umari (who recounted what he was told by some persons who were themselves told what someone had been told by the Malian pilgrims in Egypt during Mansa's hajj a decade earlier), Ibn-Khaldun (who mostly made up his own fictional headcanon about Mali based on Al-Umari) and Ibn Battuta (who very shallowly described it, to the point some think he actually gave up on the trip early and made up shit).So given all that, the idea that we can precisely evaluate Mansa Musa's wealth and declare him the richest man in history is ridiculous.
>>18464001>but outside of that we don't know much else.We know that he went bankrupt sometime after he departed from said city and continued on to Mecca. When he began his return journey to Mali he took some loans in Egypt which he never paid off.
No. His wealth is definitely exaggerated, but we technically can't say so for sure.>>18464091> bankruptIs this claim even founded? He definitely wasted a lot of gold, but I really doubt he went broke; He had other assets, likely a treasury, and definitely wouldn't have been able to take all of his gold with him, not to mention that I'm pretty sure his grandson actually *did* waste damn near all of the Empires' money, and people are pretty honest about him.
>>18464126I guess that I should've clarified that he went broke during the voyage, of course he had more gold back in Mali which he naturally didn't use to repay any of the loans he took back in Egypt.
>>18463984>We were, like, totally kings of Africa, dude!
>>18464135to believe otherwise is retarded and historically inaccurate
>>18464140This picture proves what? Enlighten me, I'm too low IQ
>>18463984We were Mansas and such.
>>18463978We JUST had this thread.And no, he wasn't by any stretch.
>>18463984Even though Ibn Battuta doesn't mention explicitly the race of the mansa he implies he is black when saying he is the "king of the blacks" and that "blacks are the most loyal people to their king".Battuta does explicitly say that some of the most important men in Mansa's court were black like his dragoman or his qadi>I met the qadi of Malli, Abd al-Rahman, who came to me; he is a Black, a Hajj, an excellent man with noble qualities; he sent me a cow as a welcoming gift. I met the dragoman Dugha, one of the most distinguished and important of the Blacks; he sent me a bull.>Dugha the dragoman dressed in splendid clothes of zardkhana and other fabrics; on his head is a turban with borders, arranged with exceptional artistry; he is girded with a sword with a gold cabbard; on his feet are boots and spurs. No one except him wears boots that day. In his hand he has two short spears, one of gold and the other silver, tipped with iron.>Dugha the dragoman comes in with his four wives and his concubines, who are about a hundred, in fine clothes; on their heads are gold and silver bands with gold and silver apples attached to them.
>>18464385you may as well claim the pope was a monkey or that donkeys built the pyramids, that is how ridiculous it is to claim blacks ever wuz anything
>>18464001This
>>18463984>unironically we wuzzing
>>18465054the cattle-lords of R1b-V88 which were the ancestors of the ones responsible for the Bantu expansion, were at one point, undeniably, paler than their negro descendants.The berbers too, had a different branch of EEF-cattle lords via iberia.tldr;Africa has had more than one influx of pale cattleherder/EEF peoples.
>>18463978No. The wealth of a monarch has more to do with the wealth of the state he rules, as he has access to its revenues. Before the early modern period, that title would belong to a Roman or Chinese Emperor. Which I suspect would be one of the 2nd century Roman Emperors or 10-11th century Song Emperors. Either one of these would have had access to more gold and wealth than Mansa Munsa, the legend of his wealth comes from his obscene pilgrimage, not because he ruled a state that generated untold wealth. A Roman Emperor could do the same thing, but they didn't as munificence and imperial funds were dispersed over the entire empire in hundreds of different civic projects all being funded by the state.
>>18465235absolute niggerbabble
>>18463978Mali was extremely isolated from everyone else, hence why Musa's hajj was such a big deal. They were rumored to have reached the west African but clearly they couldn't into sea travel since they never even discovered the Cape Verde archipelago.Mali never reached the development of the rest of the known world.This isolation is also probably what protected them for a while from any civilization on the other side of the Sahara until Morocco decided they were finally going to do it and indeed conquered Mali.
>>18463997This jewtuber is a fag. James Atlas, probably a jam boy.
>>18465974west African coast*
>>18465974>Mali was extremely isolated from everyone elseObjectively untrue, trade between West Africa and the rest of the world dates back to antiquity.>>18465247>the legend of his wealth comes from his obscene pilgrimage, not because he ruled a state that generated untold wealthThe legend comes from the historical fact that during Musa's lifetime almost half of the gold in Europe came from Mali.
