Is there genuinely a single relic that was stolen to the East from the West? If not, why?
>>18465930Nope, because Eastern Christians aren't thieves Westoids BTFO.
I don’t understand the schizo image
>>18465933if you're an orthodox slav do not look up where saint cyril, the founder of church slavonic, is buried
>>18465934Saint Cyril was from Constantinople, and without looking it up, I'm sure the French knights took him back home.
>>18465930no, they often weren't relics to begin with just a bone from a pig's foot from some peasant's meal 500 years ago or an empty box
>>18465933It's about alleged relics of saints (skulls, remains, etc.) being moved/seized from Eastern/Orthodox churches to Western/Catholics.
>>18465964Nice cope but they are frequently proved real as with Nicolas in Bari, stolen from Greeks
>>18465930The West didn't actually have that many important relics to steal, it's a boon of being poor. There is a dearth of relevant saints from the area, at least in orthodox eyes. It also helped that the west was ruled by Christians who cared about that sort of stuff unlike the muslims, and weren't attacked in a time of weakness and ransacked like the byzantines.Also, being highly adroit at stealing corpses is not something I'd proudly wear on my chest, personally.
>>18466249>dearthPeter and Paul died in Rome, James the Greater died in Spain, Mary Magdalene, Martha and Lazarus died in France. Anne's skull ended up in Apt in the 1st century.
>>18466269If I recall correctly the Orthodox do not recognize Santiago de compostela as James' resting place (and by the way, he was beheaded in Jerusalem, not Hispania), that's a post-schism Catholic legend. Likewise for Mary Magdalene, Saint Martha, and Lazarus. Lazarus is especially funny because they believe he was Bishop of Cyprus and that is his resting place, while the catholic legends claim he was the Bishop of Marseille and was buried there.
>>18466279Iirc, a few relics of Saint Anne were brought over from the levant during the crusades, too. Ex Oriente Lux and all that.
>>18466279The orthodox wiki says otherwise
>>18466279Peter and Paul are fair enough. Though frankly it seems disrespectful to even consider stealing them, papacy aside. And eastern Christendom simply didn't have the necessary context for 'furta sacra' to emerge.
>>18466282The orthodox wiki can be edited by anybody. But more to the point, the Orthodox don't have an official stance as to what happened to his remains after death, so you kind of can believe whatever you want. That said they traditionally just didn't believe in those legends (as I said, catholic tradition), so it's unlikely they'd find some random bones in Galicia worth stealing, especially considering the sacrilegious nature of the whole process.
>>18465930Technically speaking, Odoric of Pordernone took relics of Christian martyrs from Muslim India and buried them in China during his travels (Thomas of Tolentino and co.)
>>18465930The byzantine church had two waves of iconoclasm and i think this period of christian history where the images of christianity made destructive war upon themselves push themselves upon us for possible stood and so i think that must have affected later attitudes the byzantine church had to icons and relics and if the byzantine church was engaging in relic thieving
