This nigga balled so hard. Inironincally this nigga lives like 2-5 more years we probably get no cold war and USSR transitions to market socialism and becomes friend of the USA and the world becomes one big happy open market and probably no poverty and shit I piss and shit on Harry Truman
>>18466049Russia and America will always be allies with one another
>>18466049>USSR transitions to market socialismI dunnno if Stalin woulda lived with that, but his successors definitely could have.VGH
As an American, there is no nation or people I respect more than the Russian people.Truman was a British spy who created an unfortunate division between Americans and Russians
>>18466049>FDR simped for the USSR so that means the USSR would transition to a market economy if he stayed aliveNo. Had FDR and Willkie been alive after the war and managed to form their new liberal party there would have been a higher chance of America falling into Communism than the USSR turning to a market economy.
>>18466049He’s the GOAT. Loved by normal people, hated by corrupt banksters, seething communists, and retarded fascist thugs. You can tell who the midwits are by if they hate FDR.
>>18466076>America falling into Communism Literally never would even come close to happening. At most the U.S. becomes socialist in the Nordic sense
>>18466088why would commies hate a commie...?
>>18466100Commies hate him because he stopped America from becoming communist by neutering the communist parties growth in favor of more moderate, sensible solutions. They literally will say this
Americans only simp for Russia because of deep-seated insecurity at being in a leadership position
>>18466088Ironically he gained that popularity the same way Hitler did - initiating countless public works programs. The depression was still ongoing when the war broke and the war economy bailed FDR's retarded economy, just in the same manner that Germany's "revitalized economy" absolutely hinged on Hitler's expansionism to sustain itself.
>>18466128Except Hitler was giga retarded and got Germany into massive debt to its creditors to pay off its war industry whereas FDR created infrastructure that directly benefited the private sector via electrifying poorer parts of the county, building and maintaining roads and dams, and not getting the US into massive unsustainable amounts of debt to do so.
>>18466128Also FDR’s works progress administration was always billed as a temporary measure to employ people who couldn’t otherwise find work. They paid below the industry average so that private industry could compete. It was nowhere near as extensive as Hitlers public works programs.
>>18466134FDR probably prolonged the depression and only didn't go even further because the Conservative coalition emerged and saved the country from his ambitions. He may have had additional political capital post-war but he and his lackey Willkie were both struck down before the war ended. Sadly LBJ expanded much of his retarded entitlement programs in the 60's and now working Americans have more and more of their wealth transferred to black people and an ever-increasing elderly population.
>>18466138>FDR probably prolonged the depressionNobody was putting their money into the banking system prior to FDR. The Midwest was suffering under the worst ecological disaster in the counties history. He quite literally saved the country from a far uglier fate of radicalism and societal disintegration than if he did nothing. >Conservative coalition emerged and saved the country from his ambitions.After he got almost everything he wanted and more kek. Like I said, midwits hate FDR when he saved the country from a much darker timeline.
>>18466049Most based thread on the 'log. Why do chuds hate the one modern dictator that America had but jerk off over every other yuroshit dictator that was barely a stone's throw away in terms of policy?
>>18466142Even Social Security, his greatest sacred cow, had to be scaled down from what he originally intended. The Hoover admin was already taking steps to fight the depression, yes including government intervention, the Smoot-Hawley tariff's effects were what diminished confidence in the economy. Ironically still, FDR's categorical refusal to cooperate with Hoover during the lame duck period probably also helped prolong the depression, a cynical act so blatant that it led to the 20th amendment shortly after. There would have been no Communist radical takeover without FDR because sensible government intervention was already taking place. FDR's public works and entitlement programs served as popularity boosters which slowed down the (inevitable) economic recovery, eventually to be bailed out by the war economy.
>FDR should have done nothing and just let millions of pissed off unemployed men become full time criminals, vagrants, radical militant socialists, and shanty town dwellers. This is what anti-FDR fags are arguing for unironically btw
>>18466156Is it? It's not an argument against public works per se, simply an observation that FDR attained popularity in the same manner Hitler did, a quite awkward factoid.
>>18466154> Even Social Security, his greatest sacred cow, had to be scaled down from what he originally intended.This isn’t true though. Social security was never intended to be an alternative to full time employment or a “dole” system like in many European countries, and Roosevelt made that very clear. He was actually very practical in spite of what his detractors in the yellow press claim. > The Hoover admin was already taking steps to fight the depression, yes including government intervention, the Smoot-Hawley tariff's effects were what diminished confidence in the economy.Hoover did these out of desperation after non-intervention during the most critical period of the meltdown failed. No shit they didn’t work. > There would have been no Communist radical takeover without FDRIt’s not takeover that needed to be feared so much as a years of lead style destabilizing situation where rural areas and places forgotten about lose confidence in the U.S. government and become lawless hellholes where radicalism festers. History shows this can happen extremely quickly and FDR absolutely did these right thing to kill radicalism in its crib with sensible reform.
>>18466167FDR wanted a precisely European-like system but was forced to scale it down when it didn't receive enough support.And your fantasy scenario hinges on economic recovery not occurring without FDR but not only would the economy have recovered without him, it would have recovered faster.
>>18466173> FDR wanted a precisely European-like system but was forced to scale it down when it didn't receive enough support.No he actually didn’t. The person who inspired his plan and petitioned for, Francis Townsend, was the one who initially wanted a European style dole system with much higher monthly amounts than what was eventually passed into law before FDR tempered it and made it more practical. > And your fantasy scenario hinges on economic recovery not occurring without FDRThere was quite literally mass migration occurring from the Midwest to the eastern cities and to California because the ecology of the region was so extremely fucked up that it was nearly unlivable. People were not putting their money in banks because they were terrified of bank failures wiping out their savings. I know FDR’s detractors love to downplay how dire the situation as if this was some typical economic downturn and not a near starvation level event for the bottom third of society.
>>18466187>FDR tempered it and made it more practical.Becuase it did not have enough support. >>18466187There was quite literally mass migration occurring from the Midwest to the eastern cities and to California because the ecology of the region was so extremely fucked up that it was nearly unlivable. People were not putting their money in banks because they were terrified of bank failures wiping out their savings. I know FDR’s detractors love to downplay how dire the situation as if this was some typical economic downturn and not a near starvation level event for the bottom third of society.Again you work from the assumption that FDR introduced government intervention out of the blue and that no one would do it without him, but we know that the Hoover admin already began that effort, "out of desperation" or not. The economy would have recovered without FDR.
>>18466198>Because it did not have enough support.It clearly did because it passed and still exists. Almost like they thought about how to practically implement it. > Again you work from the assumption that FDR introduced government intervention out of the blue and that no one would do it without himFDR was the one person willing to be extremely aggressive with passing his agenda within his 100 days. Compared to Hoover there was a clear difference in energy and willingness to respond to the crisis. >The economy would have recovered without FDRAnd along with it millions of men would become permanent criminals, communist terrorist, homeless, or living in there newly constructed Brazilian style favelas. Thankfully FDR stopped that and that’s why he’s remembered fondly while his seething critics are forgotten.
>>18466203>It clearly did because it passed and still exists.Not its original version. >And along with it millions of men would become permanent criminals, communist terrorist, homeless, or living in there newly constructed Brazilian style favelasSo things that have all occurred just after LBJ expanded his programs? Curious indeed
>>18466206Yes it did, you can literally read about how the act was deliberated on and passed. >So things that have all occurred just after LBJ expanded his programs?More like the 70’s economic downturn permanently fucked American society, coupled with outsourcing and deindustrialization
>>18466049Market socialism doesn'tThe USSR abandoned it early on because all it did was show how efficient co-operatives were
>>18466209You literally just said yourself the original vision was for a European model.>More like the 70’s economic downturn permanently fucked American society, coupled with outsourcing and deindustrializationHow did that happen? LBJ literally declared war on poverty and made FDR's policies bigger than ever before. I thought their entire purpose was to prevent leftist terrorism and crime-ridden neighborhoods.
>>18466213No retard, the man who petitioned for it wanted a European style system while Roosevelt changed it up and presented it to Congress as the Social Security Act. He was not some radical socialist despite what his critics claimed. > How did that happen? A combination of the OPEC embargo and Nixon shock.
>>18466218>Roosevelt changed it upBecause it wouldn't have enough support otherwise. Glad we agree.>A combination of the OPEC embargo and Nixon shock.But FDR's policies were supposed to prevent any bad effects? They were just expanded, why would his unique divinely ordained policies fail?
>>18466219> But FDR's policies were supposed to prevent any bad effects?No retard, his policies were always temporary measures that were supposed to alleviate the worst effects of a downturn and to quickly restore confidence in the economic system, specially in the Breton-woods style system of hard money, which Nixon abandoned. Increadible how disingenuous you faggots are that you have to bring up events that happened 30 years later to argue why FDR was le bad.
