This is an actual honest question that I have because I cannot wrap my head around it. Where did the idea that modern liberals have about Jesus that he was OK with sins like homosexuality or abortion come from? It couldn't have originated out of a vacuum. Sunday school teachings? Academia? Movies? What?
>>18466390With abortion they pretend that becuase "do not abort your kid" is not explicitly mentioned that means abortion is fine, even though it obviously falls under "do not kill".As for homosexuality, well Jesus said affirmed marriage as a sacred union between a man and a woman. I don't know if liberals actually claim that Jesus said homosexuality is outright ok, but so-called Christian liberals say that even if it's immoral it should stay out of state matters(they say that about abortion too which is even worse since it involves killing)
>>18466390It's an argument from silence because he didn't explicitly address those topics. But of course they ignore him on divorce which he did directly address and took an extremely conservative stance on.
Who the hell argues a christian case for abortion? As for homosexuality, the only leg christlarps have to stand on is Leviticus which they simultaneously insist doesn’t apply to the new covenant.
>>18466664Define sexual immorality without the Torah. The new covenant might not demand obedience to the Torah, but it uses the Torah as its baseline.
Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura
>>18466933The council of Jerusalem explicitly bound the church to uphold the sexual prohibitions of the old law specifically.
Verse condemning abortion?
>>18466960Yeah, that's my point. Leviticus is already implied by the very Apostles themselves.
>>18466963sola scriptura enthusiast detectedverse condemning animal cruelty and sweatshop child labor not found arguments from silence are extraordinarily weak
>>18467061>verse condemning animal cruelty and sweatshop child labor not foundYeah, and both of those things were 100% allowed in Christian societies until gigachad atheists invented civilization.
I am so thankful that God has shared with us objective good/truth and propositional knowledge through the Bible. >>18466390German theologians walked so these idiots could run, probably
>>18466570>>18466664>they don't know The Old Testament explicitly CONDONES abortion. This is how clueless Christcucks are about their religion.
>>18466390The Bible does not have a univocal stance on anything, and why should it? It's a collection of texts written in three different languages over a period of thousands of years. You can read anything you want into the Bible, and this has been a tradition of Christianity and Judaism since 200 BC. You can witness Paul doing this in real time in 1 Corinthians 9:8-10. It's not really that hard to make the Bible condone abortion and homosexuality.
>>18466390the jews
>>18467238Actually read the passage objectively, anon. It describes a ritual where a priest asks God to abort the baby if it is indeed the product of adultery. It involves the woman drinking water with dirt mixed into it. Water with dirt does not cause miscarriage. It is being used as a conduit for God to work. The passage is not instructions on how to perform an abortion, it's instructions on how to ask God to perform an abortion if he deems it necessary. I know this level of nuance is probably hard for you to wrap your mind around, but the passage doesn't "condone" abortion in the way you seem to think it does. You simply lack reading comprehension and are propagating a low-tier, and frankly laughable argument.
>>18466390Some confused people make up a Jesus in their mind that just happens to agree with them on every topic.
>Where did the idea that modern liberals have about Jesus that he was OK with sins like homosexuality or abortion come from?Who said this?
A desire to suppress and distort the truth.
>>18467406OP said this
>>18466425There are people who believe in human souls and also dogmatically defend abortion. Insane.
Corinthians>but it's le PaulGod-breathed infallible Scripture
>>18466963Thou shall not kill. Is the embryo human and alive? Can't kill him or her.
>>18466390>wherewell leftism is a mental disorder so there is thatimagine claiming men get pregnant and girls have dicksthose are the people "interpreting" the bible to support their delusional ideas
>>18466390Why are modern conservative Christians literally obsessed with homosexuality and abortion, two subjects Jesus never even deigned to speak about?
>>18467346>instructions on how to ask God to perform an abortion if he deems it necessaryHow is that not trying to cause an abortion? If you think god will answer and abort the baby, the intent is clearly there.
>>18467469>imagine claiming men get pregnant and girls have dicksBut Chriggers believe in spontaneous pregnancy through parthenogenesis. Stop being selfish and hogging all the psychotic biologically impossible ideas about women to yourself, share the insanity with the other kids.
>>18467475He is God, idiot. He created the Law, and guided the prophets.>>18467482One is a miracle intentionally caused by God to the holiest woman who ever lived and the other is mentally ill sex pests dressing up as women to get their rocks off.
>>18467475We are forced to condone homosexuality and abortion everyday by MSM.
>>18467469>an entire spam bot dedicated to seething about muh leftistsKek
>>18466390It is the same reason most Christians believe Jesus/Christianity was/is opposed to slavery even though it obviously isn't. Because they see nothing wrong with being gay, and if God thought there was something wrong with it that would make him bad, and God can't be bad, therefore he must not have a problem with being gay.Incidentally most Christians, even conservative ones, do not believe gay people should be killed for being gay even though the Bible tells you to do that, because even Christians who think it is wrong to be gay would balk at straight up murdering people for it, so it's not like liberals are the only ones deciding based on their feelings that the Bible is nicer than it actually is.
>>18466390Marxist deconstructionism knows no boundaries.
>>18467544So they’re all destined for Gehenna then.
>>18467524post something better then you whiny little sand monkey
>>18467544Killing fags is old covenant
>>18467346>Water with dirt does not cause miscarriageThere's an interesting argument that the word translated "dust" originally also meant "ore" based on how it's used in several other places in the Hebrew Bible, and that the ritual was adopted from Kenite Yahwists who refined copper ore in their sanctuary, causing the floor to be covered in copper dust. This is relevant because supposedly a carefully measured (over)dose of copper can reliably induce miscarriage without causing too much damage otherwise.Under this theory, the ritual wouldn't have been applied to an obviously pregnant woman, but to a woman whose husband has been away from her for some time (perhaps common for Kenites who traveled for mining) and suspected her of committing adultery in the interim. Then the ritual would serve to simultaneously determine whether she was pregnant by adultery and to cause an abortion if so.https://www.academia.edu/36495549/The_Kenite_Origin_of_the_Sotah_Prescription_Numbers_5_11_31_The author of the article also suggests that the abortion was understood as "wrong action" in this context based on Numbers 5:31, where the husband is said to be "free from wrong action" (also translated guilt/iniquity) when this law is applied, but the wife "shall bear her wrong action." (thought to be the guilt of aborting the child).However the author also argues that the morality preserved in the text of this ritual is different from the Israelite morality elsewhere because the woman's punishment for adultery in Numbers 5:27 is only to become a curse among her people, while elsewhere the punishment is straightforwardly death, with no concern about whether the woman is pregnant.
>>18467656>Jew writes paper saying it’s OK to murder babiesAre you out of your mind? Do you wish to join them in hell?
>>18467657I have this strange feeling you didn't read the whole post before replying...
>>18467061>verse condemning animal cruelty and sweatshop child labor not foundYes, these things were practiced for millennia until secular and atheist movements pushed for actual labor and animal rights. You think the blue-haired PETA activists fighting for the rights of factory farmed cattle living in horrific conditions are church-goers and that the trucker in Amarillo who loves steak is likely to be a card-carrying atheistic communist?
>>18467656>The author of the article also suggests that the abortion was understood as "wrong action"Even if that is what's implied, then it's still also implied that risking abortion is an unfortunate sacrifice that may have to be made for the greater good of determining whether a woman has committed adultery. So it can't be that high on the hierarchy of bad things.
>>18467346>ackchually this passage doesn't condone abortion, it just condones trying to force an abortion and asking god to perform it>>18467656>ackchually the bible says it's a bad action although it explicitly instructs people to do soChristcuck mental gymnastics never cease to amaze me
The abortion cope is dumb but it's basically just an argument from silence and sometimes the Numbers adultery passage. The homosexuality cope is genuinely insane. They just straight up lie and say that the verses condemning homosexuality in the Bible are "mistranslations" and the original is actually about male on male pedophilia. This is clearly not true and I don't know why people who weren't going to follow God in the first place feel the need to pretend he approves of their actions, but they do it and it's become a common misconception. Of course, Romans 1 is explicit about it being same-sex, so I think if you bring that up they'd just say they don't care what Paul thinks, which is funny since I'm pretty sure the whole pedophilia argument comes from an interpretation of Paul
>>18466664This is an outright lie. It’s explicitly condemned in the New Testament multiple times.
>>18467783>argument from silence >numbers passageYou do know these contradict each other? So what is your headcanon cope for the numbers passage?
>>18467783>The abortion cope is dumb but it's basically just an argument from silence and sometimes the Numbers adultery passage.Also the Exodus 21 passage (picrel) depending on how it's translated, and the rule that adultery should be punished with the death penalty without any elaboration on what to do if the adulterous woman happens to be pregant, especially together with Genesis 38:24 where Judah's daughter-in-law is pregnant from prostitution, and he says to just bring her out and burn her to death like that's the thing you do, no concern about the fetus needed.
>>18467793>>18467790The "cope" is this: the wife is the man's property and he can do whatever he want with that treacherous skank and the bastard tumor growing in her belly. And you can't do shit about it. Thank God there was a law code that let the whole community pound a whore's head in with rocks.
>>18467797>the cope is that I'm actually not Christian Could've started there anon
>>18467802Jesus would've stoned the woman caught in adultery if they had proper witnesses and her accomplice.
Homophobic Christians never recovered from this one
>>18467806I'm sure Zach Weinersmith, a Jew, will feel clever about his little comic as demons torment him in hell for all eternity.
Two irrefutable, areligious arguments against homosexuality:>Lifelong disease>Death of legacy
>>18467809Not just that.>Colon cancer>No ability to pair bond after hundreds of partners>PederastyOne might argue that the scriptures were derived from natural law, through a rational investigation on what makes a society weak...
>>18467809>>18467811These seem like arguments against unsafe sex, not having children, promiscuity, and pederasty, not homosexuality in itself. Heteros can and do also get STDs, fail to have children, be promiscuous, and have relationships with immoral age-gaps.
>>18467793*allegedly pregnant from prostition, actually pregnant from Judah himself
>>18467806This reads like a satire of liberal "christians" though.
>>18467835Yeah, and we condemn that too. The point is that homosexuals can never have a pure relationship outside of those deviations. Imagine being so obtuse that you miss the point. If homosexuals were monogamous and could reproduce anally, there would be no problem. But seeing as God designed the sexes to be complementary rather than self-sufficient we go with natural law.
>>18467858All Christians do this. In fact all religions with sacred texts do this
>>18467862What do you think they are doing exactly?
>>18467868>What do you think they are doing exactly?Taking the text literally when it suits them, and making up far fetched headcanons why it's written down when it doesn't suit them. You even see it ITT, we got a literal bible passages saying women should abort under circumstance x, and a Fetus dying is minor enough that a monetary compensation is fine.Yet Christcucks try to come up with copes why abortion is still super bad and fetal live is sacred, conveniently explaining these passages away
>>18467869Are you forgetting when Yahweh literally slew every firstborn in Egypt? Or when he killed David’s bastard? He doesn’t give a fuck. The rules are for YOU.>I wound and I heal, I kill and I make aliveWhy is it so hard for you to develop this understanding? God is going to kill all of us!
>>18467416There's literally no verse that says to not kill.>b-but muh te-It says to not murder. Different thing. Also, that's the old testament. The law is abolished, remember. ;)
>>18468052>no verse that says to not killExactly kek, this is how tradcaths justify bloody Christian violence in war. Especially the crusades, this is their main cope that I see. A fetus is simply not a full human that can survive outside of the mother's body without intensive modern medical support (and even then only well into the 3rd trimester). To me, it is as killing any other tumor until it is capable of self-sufficient life.
>>18468065I hope we burn you at the stake when we win the elections in 2028.
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>>18467544No, you can say slavery is not explicitly opposed by the bible, and even approved of, but that doesn't mean the bible or Christianity would oppose society ending slavery, that's ridiculous. The text does not give an affirmative right to own slaves, only that slavery be carried out in such and such a way if it is allowed.
>>18466390You have two options. You either stay in the world of liberalism they created, or leave it and join the resistance.There is only two kingdoms. The kingdom of sin and the kingdom of God.You were thrown out of God’s original Kingdom of earth due to sin.A lot of people forget the bad news goes with the and before the good news. The gospel is never preached by only the good news. There is no good news unless there was some bad news.The good news is that there is no remission of sin without the shedding of the right kind of righteous blood. Jesus Christ shed his own blood , who was the Son of God, the only one. And this sacrifice is yours if you just believe in His blood for your sins. It is a gift of Grace, anyone can believe in it and continue to dwell in the sanctity of Jesus Christ’s blood atonement and have eternal life. It is like being married. You just keep believing in Him. And His blood. And it is by grave through faith. This means the Spirit of this world will and can oppose Jesus’ blood by sight, but by faith meaning invisibly, the blood has the victory over it in the end. This opposition factor is what the devil tries to throw up a deception , a vision. Some kind of sight that looks like the dragon and his followers are winning. That is the price they bought is they liked the appearance of sin. This was Eve’s first lust and fall into sin was it looked delicious (pleasing).The bad news is that you and your soul were already condemned, already. That is what you must remember. Already. You were already damned. You don’t have any soul to sell to satan. It’s already gone. God has already cast you into the fires of hell and you are living a life on satan’s kingdom on earth. That King Nebuchadnezzar and Pharosh through Daniel and Joseph of Egypt already interpreted their kingdom and the future by their kingdoms and Satan already gave it back to God because he lost because he is only an angel.Jesus Christ the only way truth life.
>>18468089The verse “the kingdom of heaven is like leaven which a woman hid inside three meals of bread.”This verse is distinct from the parable of the warning of the leaven of the Pharisees. But it goes with it. It describes God’s kingdom, the gospel, being like leaven, and it also describes the leaven of the Pharisees like the leaven of the kingdom of sin. Both cause the body or bread (the kingdoms) to rise. But one causes it to rise in God’s, the other causes it to rise the kingdom of Sin (the damned). It uses the word Kingdom and one is not of this world the other one is (invisible, the other is visible).
>>18468089Good thing we threw off the King in 1776. Only republics here now for the most part. But good to know that many Europeans are still in kingdoms of sin
>>18466390what is the basis in scripture for abortion being a sin. I know for homos there is this one line about a man not laying with another man like he would with a woman but it's funny how the lodest modern christian voices made these two things their main ussues when there's little to no basis in scripture for it. meanwhile they constantly turn a blind eye to lying, cheating and stealing, or even champion it as long as it's in their personal interest
When President Trump runs to defend Israel but is not doing anything about the current foreign invasion of America , of non believing people, it represents his political only status and being a pawn of Netanyahu (leaven of jews).God said to not eat the birds which eat deceased things because it is unclean to you. Grackles are a bird that flies over the border along with many other brown and black birds that are noisy and are like vulchers. They are like blue jays also, which attack and eat what the Bible calls the voice of the turtle. The turtle is the turtle doves. The kind of bird God did okay his people to eat, because they didn’t have chicken yet. But because it was an angelic bird. Doves are particularly white and they are rare unlike pidgeons and the darker feathered kind because doves represent the holy life, living as soul mates one male to one female for life, and eating of good things.When you pair the feasting of dead things and begin to realize the fall of humanity is real, you might become afraid of what you see, but even white people and therefore even doves fall into sin.When God cursed Aaron’s wife for Moses’ wife choice of being black (Zipporah), it represents God’s Spiritual adoption of children by faith in Jesus Christ’s blood, not the color of your skin. However the record of sin is still contained in that. God still allows for evil to fight evil. Just as there are still white non believers who become one body with other non believers because they aren’t hearing the gospel though it be preached.
>>18468140Thou shalt not kill you stupid nigger. Did they lobotomize you at the nigger school of infidels?
>>18467614Exact same chapter and verse that calls for them to be killed calls homosexuality an abomination.>>18468087>doesn't mean the bible or Christianity would oppose society ending slaveryI never said that it did, I said it doesn't oppose it which you agreed with, so I'm not sure what you're taking issue with here.
>>18468152It doesn't even matter if it didn't end. If God says slavery is fine, then it's fine!
>>18468145Exodus 21:22-25> “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm,[a] then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.also read Numbers 5:11-31https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A11-31&version=NIVthe whole thing is too long to post but it describes how a priest gives a woman who is suspected to be unfaithful a bitter water to drink so she miscarries if she carries the child of another man
>>18468145>Thou shalt not kill Never stopped Christians from killing millions over the past centuries. Almost like everyone makes up their own retarded headcanon even for basic statements like this
>>18468163After Moses comes down with the ten commandments the people loyal to him literally slaughter half the camp which was worshiping the golden calf, so the "shall not kil"l part is more like shall not murder as in no unjustified killing, which again makes it kinda meaningless because you can come up with all kinds of reasons why it is justified which aren't explicetly mentioned in the bible
>>18468152You'd have to ask the original Christian abolitionists (who were admittedly not very smart) what aspect of slavery they specifically opposed abolishing and what they thought God wanted them to abolish. If they wanted to abolish the particularly cruel variation of slavery present, the bible is against cruelty, but if they said God wants them to abolish the idea of human property and master slave relations well then one: they didn't abolish that, and two the bible explicitly allows it. It gets back to this conflation of Christianity and American personal liberties and "muh freedumbs". Most Americans don't really worship the Christian God either but their masonic imperial freedom cargo cult, a natural extension lf which is sexual freedom which the OP is wondering where it came from, from that.
>>18467413Those things aren't mutually exclusive, it really depends on when you think the soul starts inhabiting the body. Why should it be tied to a puerly biological process like sperm firtilizing an egg scell
>>18468455On the day of judgment when God raises you from the dead, an angel is going to shove your damned soul back into your rotting, reanimated corpse and with one arm slingshot you into the sun. Let's see then how sacred your life is.
>>18468463Wouldn't that just instantly destroy my body? My soul could then just float out into space and explore the universe
>>18468470Stop. Asking. Questions.kek i can't do it anymore. i love writing this shit as a creative exercise but it's driving me insane. i can't believe people actually believe in this shit. kek.
>>18468140The basis is that it is a woman’s womb. Therefore God gives enormous grace to the woman. For she sinned first because she was weaker than man, taken from man, who was the one created by God first in His own image, so that she could belong to him as his wife. An eternal companion and one soul just like Man was created with His Creator.God gave us the 9 fruits of the Holy Spirit. One of those is the long suffering fruit of the spirit. Being quick to hear but slow to speak and also slow to anger. God’s judgement was harshest on Man / Adam first, then His judgement was on her. And it fell squarely on her ability to give birth, that it would now be cursed to give her pain in birthing children.So to abort your fruit of your womb is already cursed. If you are giving birth at all it is a sin if it isn’t in marriage, and in marriage it is still a legal sin that God is only tolerating right now since if it isn’t of the Spiritual union, which He designed, then it is of the Carnal Union, which means it is of the flesh. Of the flesh in this instance means it is “of death.” That means an unclean union that He didn’t design. God said in His Word that if a marriage isn’t of Him or His Spirt then it is already a failed marriage he doesn’t give success to. Marriage is actually about God, because God is love, and union between man and woman is intended to be of Spirit in peace, purity, love, and according to His Will which is faithfulness. There is one man and one woman to that every one man. Notice how Adam wasn’t the one who sinned. Woman was sinful and evil and deceived. She was evil and got her husband killed and cursed, damned to hell. Adam loved his wife and followed her into sin. Why? Because of faithfulness. And how holy IS God? SO Holy. ALL death is sin. If a murderer rapes a woman, there is legal justification that the murderer is the cause of the sin. So an abortion would become the law. But the fact it exists is still because of hard hart
>>18468065You think a human life is comparable to a tumor?
>>18468484>If you are giving birth at all it is a sinDo you understand that Paul condemned this as being a doctrine of demons? God says to be fruitful and multiply.
>>18468484>Therefore God gives enormous grace to the womanWell, unless she cheated of course, then it's fine to give her an abortion kek Also, killed her baby in her womb? Meh gods grace isn't infinite, a monetary compensation as punishment is enough
>>18468489If your marriage isn’t as holy as God, then it’s a sin.Some sins are legal and tolerated.God tolerates Creation but that doesn’t mean He lets it touch anything of His Holyness. He is that Holy. You are an abomination and His commandment to be fruitful and multiply was still under the perfect Creation before the fall. After the fall it was allowed under what God calls His Grace for the Creation to continue forward in its sinful and fallen state.Abortion is a Democrat Need and like bluejays. A bird which flies yes but nobody likes them because they are noisy and they eat your children because something prompted them to become this after the fall of creation. This “need” to use their Created role as predatory birds is called the Law of Death and the Beast. Notice how Before the Fall, Man was not under the Law. Now he is, and all of Creation. One day, when the resurrection of the dead happens, all the babies that God decides to be resurrected from the dead, including all of the murderers, and every man and woman who has ever been evil, in the resurrections of the dead, the Law (governments and powers, authorities) will be forced to look at how the grave no longer holds their captives anymore, and their penalties those people had to pay are no longer in effect. There is now instead a higher power and death itself (which was the law, the government it’s ministers), is defeated and no longer has a purpose (the original purpose was to kill people who broke the law, which was everyone), and it was attempting to hold its captives forever with there no hope of a resurrection. But we have one. And death is the final enemy defeated once it happens because it no longer has punishment. Hell becomes the eternal punishment after death is defeated.These are reasons why what you said was said without understanding.Jesus Christ came as a compassionate sweet lamb. A sweet lamb is used because they aren’t predatory noisy animals. (You don’t understand)
>>18468487It's not a human life if it immediately dies when ripped off a human lmao. It's a tumor that has the potential to become a human life if developed long enough. The process of mammalian pregnancy is an incredibly shittily evolved process
>>18468818Open a biology textbook you stupid faggot.
>>18468840I'm a few months away from my MD :)Trans women are also women fyi, sex (biologically determined) is not congruent with gender (socially determined).
>18468880This board is so shit.
>>18468880equivocation based in redefining semantics.
>>18469047>>18469385Don't spike your cortisol buddy ;)
Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. He died on the cross as a sinless sacrifice for all the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then rose again from the dead. One day you will stand before Him, and He will judge you. You can either repent to God by receiving Him and be saved, or reject Him and go to hell for your sins.Rom. 3:23-25: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”1 John 5:7: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9, given by God, Romans 10:8 & 17) only in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place (1 Cor. 15:3-4) as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished, so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! (Rom. 8:38-39, Romans 4:5)The gift of salvation can't be earned, it's a gift: Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him, not your own works. He atoned for your sins on the cross.www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntcProof that the Bible is the word of God:https://truthischrist.com/seven/fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdf
>>18466390>Where did the idea come from?when the church decided not to differentiate between the light of God and the dark hell-spawned demons, the reasons for why all those things are bad for the salvation of the light became unexplainable. Only in the proper context, the salvation of the light in Christ, do those things become self-evidently contrary to the mission of the Son.
>>18467786>Some of you were faggotslol
