Is it impossible to have a secular and conservative society?
USSR
China
>>18466681Kyle Kulinski of Secular Talk thinks so.But, what he was talking about was politically in an otherwise equitable social political society.
>>18466703>Kyle Kulinski of Secular TalkIs that the guy who didn't know why farmland looks square?
>muh societySociety only cares about itself and is compatible with none of its individuals.
>>18466681Czechia is pretty conservative and it's the most atheist country in Europe.
>>18466681Are there persuasive arguments for conservatism aside from "God said so to some Jews a few thousand years ago and that settles it"?
>>18466771Chesterton's fence
>>18466771Conservatism emerged in response to the French Revolution...
>>18466706I don't use twitter.
>>18466681That’s called Japan
>>18466684>>18466699horrible examples. Japan.
Go to the Aegean countryside in Turkey
>>18466886Those were great examples actually. Go jerk off to some more cartoons.
>>18466681Former East Germany
>>18466681China. They're more socially conservative than majority Christian countries.
>>18467254Those so-called christian countries are christian in name only. Its all been on a steady decline for a while.
>>18466699>>18466886China and Japan are secular but that's more because the old religious aspects are so hardcoded and baked into the culture that people do the religious stuff now without even remembering why it's religiously important, more of just a "you do it because you're supposed to" thing.>>18466771Yes. read Edmund Burke. However his writings are not very popular these days because it's basically an open endorsement of elitism. If you've ever read his bit on elected officials and their duty to their constituents, his premise is basically "actually no, sometimes you DON'T know what's best for you, you dumb fucking peasants!"
>>18467344>the old religious aspects are so hardcoded and baked into the culture that people do the religious stuff now without even remembering why it's religiously importantyou could argue the same stuff happened in the west, where christian practices and traditions were secularized, rebranded and commercialized, such as Christmas being a major holiday despite being more about Santa (St. Nicholas) than Jesus, or Easter being about the Easter Bunny and not the Resurrection, or why don't people work on Sundays
>>18466681What does conservatism even mean? No stop it stop typing that inane response right now I'm being serious. What is conservatism? It can't be simply about preserving old things, or conservatives would be eco-hellenists instead of evangelicals. Every internet conservative I interact with seems to hold hating black people as the center of his ideology. I'm pretty sure you don't need religion for that. A vague sense of "things would be better if women weren't so darn uppity" is not a religious stance, either.
>>18467453For most, it's desiring social attitudes to revert to pre-1970.
Yes. The revolution against God is the antecendant of all other revolutions. This is why all secular conservative parties end up just being social clubs for fags and immigrants who want marginally lower taxes.
>>18466681It's not impossible at all. Literally take all the Sunday church time, and dedicate it to public education on things like morality, civics, political science, economics, finance, etc.Then people who are conservative will build their secular society, and the rest will free-load off of it.
>>18466771Conservatism has nothing to do with christcukery. Christcucks are actually dividing down political lines now, so it's not even certain that being a christcuck results in conservatism.
>>18467344>If you've ever read his bit on elected officials and their duty to their constituents, his premise is basically "actually no, sometimes you DON'T know what's best for you, you dumb fucking peasants!"I mean this is still the ideological core of conservatism. Look at the United States, so many conservative politicians are essentially bourgeois gentry or direct landowners
Russia and maybe Turkey
>>18466681>Is it impossible to have a secular and conservative society?Thats because conservative people breaks down into three categories:1.) Religious people. They believe the old ways reflects the will of God somehow and they get pissed when something change.2.) People who are Skeptics and therefor, deny the human reason the factuly to create a utopia. They, therefor, value stability more than social experiments.3.) People who just wants to keep their privileges.So, lets inquire it:(2) is obviously a position that can only be held by the few who are intelligent, educated, and interested in the actual truth. This is a tiny fragment of the broader society, and even the people who fall into this category usually do so only during a certain period of their lives. This opinion offers less hope, stability, or other emotional comforts. Instead, it demands an attitude of intellectual curiosity and critical judgment.(3)... it is just impossible that everyone has some privileges that he or she wants to keep.So, the natural option is (1). Religion is, therefor, associtated with conservativism.
>>18467344>If you've ever read his bit on elected officials and their duty to their constituents, his premise is basically "actually no, sometimes you DON'T know what's best for you, you dumb fucking peasants!"If you believe in freedom because you think freedome necessarly produce the best possible outcome, then your reason is weak.However, we can still asks if externe agents, like the state, can truelly know what the best for a individual is.>>18467420Bad examples. It can be argued by logical means that even wokism is just a failed attempt the secular christian ethics.>>18467704Thats because this point of view has some evidence to it. Most leftoids argue in this direction.
>>18466681"Conservative" isn't an ideology and has no fixed positions; it's a designation entirely contingent on the values of a given society at a particular point in time. So yes, of course it's possible to be secular and conservative.>>18467704There is no "ideological core" to conservatism, aside from the tendency to preserve practices/traditions (what those practices and traditions are might be completely different in different societies).
