Not annexing all of Mexico or at least what is today northern Mexico + Baja California after the 1845-1848 war was one of the U.S's biggest mistakes. Diluting their population would be exceptionally easy (the U.S had a population 3 times larger than Mexico in 1850, a rate that would increase to 10 times in the early 20th century) thanks to migration from Europe, the castizos and whites would integrate into wider American society and the mestizos and indios would be contained to the South. In exchange you would get an orderly American-controlled Mexico that's actually livable, Whites as a firm majority in Texas, Cali, Arizona and New Mexico (plus Baja and the Northern Mexican states), and the immigrant problem largely contained to places like Chiapas.
>>18467422You will never be American. Get over it paisa.
>>18467422Cringe
>>18467424What's up with Norteños wanting to be annexed so bad?
>>18467436I'm not Mexican but the answer is pretty fucking obvious (the massive difference in living standards). Not to mention that Northern Mexico and Baja were almost as sparsely populated as the territories that the U.S did end up annexing in the end. The reason the Polk plan was rejected was because northern politicians felt it would give too much power to the cause pro-slavery side, the demographic problem of absorbing millions of catholic mestizos came from Central and Southern Mexico (and annexing all of Mexico was a very fringe position).
>>18467422You can blame the negotiator, Nicholas Trist, for that. Not the whole United States. Trist was given explicit instructions by Polk to, at a minimum, annex everything that was annexed + Baja California. Again, this was the required minimum. Polk wanted Northern Mexico, but Trist decided that doing that would be too mean, so he neglected to take any additional territory beyond the required minimum, and ALSO exclude Baja California. The President was royally pissed, but back then, news traveled much slower, he wanted to punish Trist and re-negotiate with Mexico and explain how he disobeyed orders, but there was some bigger political problem that required all of his attention, I forget what specifically, and he reluctantly decided to just let it be.
>>18467436Tejas was only one of many provinces that were in active revolt against Mexico City. Except the generalisimos of the rebel territories in what's now northern Mexico were other subdued or sold out their cause for rights to local silver mines or direct bribes. So there's still some fringe rednecks who swear their shithole slum is actually part of "los jiunited stayts".
>>18467422I don't think they would be swamped by migrants at all, except maybe in the cities. The Rural southwest remained firmly hispanic and native american into the 1940s at the very least (see map), simply because no one wants to live there. The Northern states of Mexico were also more densely populated than you'd think, certainly much more than Tejas, NM, or California. Also the Whiteness of North Mexico is exaggerated to say the least.>and the immigrant problem largely contained to places like Chiapas.Doesn't understand immigration award.
>>18467523Forgot to include the image.
>>18467523In the states that today border the U.S except Baja (Tamaulipas, Coahuila, Chihuahua, Sonora and Nuevo León), the population was around 750k in 1848, still easy to absorb considering that the total population of the U.S was 23 million back then (85% white). For reference, this is about 3.3% of the total U.S population at the time. However, when you compare that to the Louisiana purchase (with came with about 100k non-indian settlers, the majority of which were black and mulattoes), compared to a total U.S population of about 6 million, of whom 81% were white, meaning the U.S absorbed the equivalent of about 1.7% of it's total population with a predominantly non-white group and came out fine.
>>18467488>You can blame the negotiator, Nicholas Trist, for that.This is true, Polk definitely wanted more land, but it was Trist the one who felt sorry for the Mexicans and signed the treaty as we know it.But to be fair it was also Polk's fault because he was the one who sent him went there was a lot of people who could have done the job as Polk wanted.>but there was some bigger political problem that required all of his attentionAs far I remember, it was just your typical partisan politics stuff. The war lasted way longer than what Polk and the Democratic Party promised and the other politicians were already tired of it, so they threatened with withdrawing support, thus Polk had to accelerate things and end the war with the only deal he had at the time.
>>18467436They want to be the next Tejanos. And I don't blame them, considering the current status of Mexico.
>>18469091>They want to be the next Tejanos>they want to have their lands taken by Americans and forced to live along the muddy nueces river in segregated communitiesEmbarrassing.
>>18469091The Norteños got rich because of the Maquilas and export industry to the US, which takes advantage of both NAFTA/USMCA supply chains, and México low wages compared to the US.In the event of an annexation by the US, the maquila industry would either need to translate their wages into US dollars and comply with US federal regulations (Which would raise production costs), or rely on immigrant labor from Southern Mexicans to keep wages low.
>>18467424Fpbp. Reminder that ICE is literally paying Chicanos to beat up and deport mojados. There's literally no reason not to join.
>>18469104>and forced to live along the muddy nueces river in segregated communitiesYet they live in better conditions than the mexicans across the border.
>>18469269>yeah you helped us break away from Mexico and the revolt was originally your idea>so we'll reward you by taking your ranches and doling them out amongst ourselvesWhy were white Texans so evil?
>>18469104>>18469280The irony is that the first vice-president of Texas was a Mexican.
>>18467422>what is today northern Mexico + Baja CaliforniaNot enough
>>18469294>giving boring rights to millions of Guatemalans, pooruvians, and mexindiosStay in your rancho
>>18469295*voting
>>18469295>pooruviansI don't see Peruvians there, anon.
A day will come when america annexes and settles everything in red with anglos, trust and believe
>>18469309>no Puerto Ricolmao, americans don't even know they own that island
>>18469312I'm not american, besides, better to turn it into a latino reservation, no point in holding onto it directly
>>18469294Why do we always have to be included in these ozymandian schemes. Come on. Can't you guys keep it from the Rio Grande Upwards.
>>18469309I will never understand you people's obssesion with populating random tracts of land with people who don't want to live there.
>>18467675Well, my point was that no one would want to settle those regions, not that they would make a meaningful demographic dent. Regardless, all of this just pushes the border to the south, rather than actually solve the issues causing the migration problem in the first place. I guess if you like New Mexico it's a good deal.
>>18469341Han chinese originate in shandong peninsula and ended up settling lands from central vietnam to manchuria, what do you think they got out of it? On a personal level not much, but there was more of them than yesterday and that's a virtue to aspire towards.
>>18469309It's amazing how 90% of those regional climates is horrible to live in though.>tundra wasteland in the north>south is full of tornadoes >dry ass Texas>PNW is a wet rock
>>18469354The climate is not THAT bad, besides you are understating the terraforming capabilities of modern humans.
More than contained the Indios would probably be outright kicked out. There’s no reason to think the US government would be any nicer to them then it was to the plains Indians. They’d all be driven over the new border into Central America. Ya America definitely fucked up
>>18469408There were too many for that.
>>18469309I want to believe
>>18469354>tundra wasteland in the northThat tundra might just become a lot more valuable as time goes on due to climate change, it won't be the next ukrainian breadbasket but you could cattle ranch on it. >south is full of tornadoes And yet millions of people settled there. Maybe if AMOC collapses it'll become even more attractive for settlement. And germany also has tornadoes and is much more densely populated than the american tornado alley.>dry ass TexasThe eastern half aka where everyone lives is humid subtropical climate, same as the deep south.>PNW is a wet rockMild mediterranean climate, i would love to live in a place with dry summers that don't get above 30C
>>18467422>the castizos and whites would integrate into wider American societyThe Norteños were betrayed by the Dixoids, hue.
>>18469441Nah, Tejanos and Californios integrated perfectly in the America society.
>>18469441In the Texas Independence, when Southern newspapers began reporting that the Texas War was a conflict between White Anglo-Americans against the "Hispanic-Mongrel inferior race" and their tyrannical government. Stephen Austin, a member of the Knights of the Golden Circle, defined this War as "A war of barbarism and of despotic principles, waged by the mongrel Spanish-Indian and Negro race, against civilization and the Anglo-American race".All this is a big lie, the Mexican Tejanos had formed a rebellion side by side with the American Colonists, having as their main objective to fight against the dictatorship of Antonio López de Santa Anna. After the Revolution ended, the Norteños who had risen against Mexico City were betrayed, Southerners immigrated en masse to this newly independent country to build new slave plantations along the Coast, and the Norteños who lived there lost their possessions and were expelled from their lands. Juan Seguín, who had been elected mayor of San Antonio in Texas, was sent into exile after a mob of Southerners arrivals accused him of being a Mexican spy. He returned to that land years later after proving his innocence only to discover that Texas had become a racially segregated society, where Norteños were forced to live on land located along the Rio Grande and at that time none of them had any hope of obtaining political representation.>"At every hour of the day and night, my countrymen ran to me for protection against the assaults or exactions of those adventurers. Sometimes, by persuasion, I prevailed on them to desist; some times, also, force had to be resorted to. How could I have done other wise? Were, not the victims my own countrymen, friends and associates? Could; I leave them defenceless, exposed to the assaults of foreigners, who, on the pretext that they were Mexicans, treated them worse than brutes." (A Foreigner in My Own Land: Juan Nepomuceno Seguin Flees Texas, 1842)
>>18469451Even you don't believe that bullshit.>The Plan of San Diego (Spanish: Plan de San Diego) was a plan drafted in San Diego, Texas, in January 1915, by a "friend" of Basilio Ramos Jr., Augustin S. Garza, and A. A. Saenz, along with six unidentified Huertistas, who would end up signing the document. The group of Mexican and Tejano rebels hoped to seize Arizona, New Mexico, California, Colorado, and most importantly Texas, in order to create an independent libertarian republic for Mexicans and Tejanos, from the United States>The plan also called for neighboring states of those aforementioned to be seized by those of African and Japanese descent in order to create republics in the same organizational structure of the Hispanic state envisioned by the plan. The plan also included promises to the Indigenous people who resided in these lands to have their land returned to them, regardless of their participation in the plan, or lack thereof>The manifesto "Plan de San Diego" called on Mexicans, American Indians, Blacks, Germans, and Japanese to liberate south Texas and kill their racist white American oppressors. Numerous cross-border raids, murders, and sabotage took place. Some Tejanos strongly repudiated the plan. According to Benjamin H. Johnson, middle-class Mexicans who were born in the United States and desired affirming their loyalty to the country founded the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC). It was headed by professionals, business leaders, and progressives and became the main Tejano organization promoting civic pride and civil rights
>>18469469>Some Tejanos strongly repudiated the plan. According to Benjamin H. Johnson, middle-class Mexicans who were born in the United States and desired affirming their loyalty to the country founded the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC). It was headed by professionals, business leaders, and progressives and became the main Tejano organization promoting civic pride and civil rightsThese guys were so integrated into American society that they needed to create civil rights movements. >The League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) is the largest and oldest Hispanic and Latin-American civil rights organization in the United States.[2] It was established on February 17, 1929, in Corpus Christi, Texas, largely by Hispanics returning from World War I who sought to end ethnic discrimination against Latinos in the United States. The goal of LULAC is to advance the economic condition, educational attainment, political influence, housing, health, and civil rights of Hispanic people in the United States. LULAC uses nationwide councils and group community organizations to achieve all these goals. LULAC has about 264,000 members in the United States>Though the two civil rights groups may have possessed some institutional similarities, LULAC tried to establish distance from the African American civil rights struggle. As LULAC believed that blacks were more oppressed than Latinos; its members thought that joining forces would not strengthen its own struggle for equality. LULAC asserted that Hispanics properly fell into the "white" category of the dichotomous black-white construction of race. In 1936 the league "engaged in a series of lobbying activities as soon as it [the USCB] perceived that Mexican Americans would be categorized as part of a group of dark-skinned minorities."
>>18469474>They lobbied to demonstrate that Hispanic, Latino and Mexican American were not racial classifications, but cultural groups who were racially diverse, sharing a common ethnolinguistic ancestry>LULAC promoted the full adaptation of its members into the dominant European-American culture, in the belief that this strategy would be the most successful way to combat discrimination. The organization claimed that discrimination was caused by racism, not by the economic or political systems. LULAC promoted capitalism and individualism; its leaders believed that, through hard work and assimilation into American culture, Mexican Americans could improve their socio-economic standing>During the 1950s, LULAC began the Little School of the 400 program, which was designed to teach Mexican-American children 400 English words before they began first grade. The project was initially run by volunteers, and shown after the first class to be successful in preparing children to do better in school; out of 60 participating children, only one had to repeat the first grade. The program expanded, and LULAC convinced the Texas legislature to underwrite it. Between 1960 and 1964 over 92,000 children benefited from the LULAC-initiated, English-centered preschool program>LULAC also sued school districts which practiced segregation. Examples of successful cases include Mendez v. Westminster in 1945 and Delgado v. Bastrop ISD in 1948. In the Mendez case, Thurgood Marshall, then a lawyer for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) filed an amicus brief in support of LULAC. As Marquez notes, "Relying strictly on the volunteer labor of LULAC attorneys and their staff, from 1950 to 1957, approximately fifteen suits or complaints were filed against school districts throughout the Southwest". These victories contributed precedents that were consulted in the deliberation by the United States Supreme Court in the Brown v. Board of Education (1954) case
