Is this true?
>>18468324No, that isn't true at all. Also >the gap is re-closing fastlel
>>18468325India is the 3rd largest economy right now
>>18468324In a general sense, Europe only started pulling ahead around the 1700s, yes.
>>18468326What about HDI, or wealth per person, or scientific achievement? Do you think the size of an economy is what determines the advancement of a country?>>18468334Europe was already ahead by at least the 1400s.
>>18468339Indians have taken all the CEO positions in the west. They have the highest household incomes of all ethnicities in North America.
>>18468343>SAAR WE ARE CEOLike clockwork. You know the CEO just works for the shareholders right?
>>18468324Yes it's true
>>18468324Which parts of "India"? I hate when people pretend the sub-continent was always unified and refuse to name the current empire that did unify them if they are referring to those time periods
>>18468326Actually India just slipped behind the UK (its former colonizer) in GDP again. It's number 6 now.India will NEVER be a superpower.
Not really, no. By then, the renaissance has been going for around 300 years. This argument might be valid for the core medieval period though, ancient South Asian kingdoms were highly advanced.
>>18468324help the britishers are raping me again! I am victim and also chad sexy ceo with bbc
>Twitter screenshot thread
>>18468339>Europe was already ahead by at least the 1400s.They weren't even done getting raped by Muslims at that point.
>>18468438By the 1400s the Iberians had reconquered the whole peninsula from the Muslims, the only Muslim state that still existed there was Granada and it existed as a tributary up until 1492 when it was directly annexed.
>>18468438India was getting raped by Muslims throughout their entire history and are still getting molested by pakis today.>Delhi sultanate
>>18468324>poopjeetshttp://www.google.com/search?q=toilet+witches+indiahttp://www.google.com/search?q=codex+pajeethttp://www.amazon.in/s?k=cow+dung+cakeshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Pi4-zWJTg
>>18468421I feel like adding that estimates for Indias' GDP are believed to be overestimated somewhat.
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>>18468672In 1961, Goa was illegal occupation. NATO should nuke India.
>>18468672lol
I recently got into astronomy, atrosphysics and the history of this science, and it made me realize how much ahead of the rest of the world Europe has been since the middle ages.
Why are people so obsessed with making historical arguments and comparisons when they are inconsequential to the point being discussed?Guess what, I am living on this Earth RIGHT NOW, not 200 years ago. I don't care if one country or another was in its prime golden age when electricity wasn't yet a thing. That changes absolutely NOTHING about the fact that it's a shithole now
No not even close. Europe had eclipsed most of Asia by the 1600s, and it was only the vast distances between their countries which prevented immediate colonization of places like China, Japan, and India. The only real Asian power that surpassed Europe in the modern age was the Ottoman Empire, and that was only in terms of military strength. The armies of Europe in the 1600s were far more advanced and powerful than anything in China or India, who still mostly fought with traditional infantry levies armed with iron age weapons (spears, swords, bows, crossbows). The Ottomans were great pioneers in the use of firearm formations, which Europeans copied and then innovated and perfected in their wars against one another in the 1600s. By the end of the 1600s, European armies were virtually all armed with firearms. Looking at armies in India and China at the time, they were well behind Europe in terms of modern fighting capabilities, and the gap only widened as Europeans pushed war technology further in every century, while India and China remained largely the same.In terms of overall technology, Asia was stagnant, while Europe was ascendant. Europeans began catching up to Asia in the 1400s with the Italian Renaissance, which was gradually exported to the rest of Europe, so that by the 1600s, European learning had blown past Asia. This is because Asia preserved ancient learning a lot better than Europe did, so that Europeans had to rediscover much of the same things Asians had never forgotten. But Asians never innovated, they remained complacent in their ancient knowledge for centuries, or even millennia. And for economy, Asia was of course far more productive until the 1800s, because they had more people. A lot more people. India or China each by themselves outproduced most of Europe simply because with so many people, if most of them were engaged in productive labor, there's no way Europe could compete. Until industrialization, anyway.
>>18468715Britain looted $45 trillion from India just to get taken over by paki rape gangsWhere did the money go?
>>18468713Europeans have always been inquisitive, it's what led to them circumnavigating the globe and discovering so many things about the natural world. The cluster of crisis the occurred in the 5th and 6th centuries which resulted in the collapse of literacy in western Europe and a severe degradation in economic output as superior agricultural techniques were lost, for a time, is what really hindered progress for a while. But the middle ages are severely underrated by people, there were some significant advancements made in different fields in those years, it's just hard to disseminate new learning when most of the population are illiterate peasants.
This is all based on that one statistic estimating Indian GDP based mainly on population and multiplying it by the GDP per capita of subsistence farmers.In 1750 India had no printing press, no mechanical clocks, no complex mechanical tools like windmills despite these being profuse in Europe in the middle ages and invented by neighboring Persia, although they had watermills these were very limited, hand labor in the village was the mainstay of their economy. They did not even teach Euclidean geometry despite the fact the Muslims had brought it to them before the British. They refused to do so, apparently unable to understand its value. The Taj Mahal and other monuments were constructed by architects and engineers from among Persians and even Ottomans far to the west. Indeed much of India's management and intellectual tasks were handled by a cluster of different minorities who had moved to India's coastal trading cities.This is why they British managed to conquer such a large population, most of India was already ruled by foreigners and sea trade handled by foreigners, they first supplanted control of sea trade where even a small European frigate outgunned and outranged native craft. Controlling the mouths of rivers they then had influence over the local magnates, which they used to establish forts and extent control down the great rivers Ganges and Indus and now effectively controlling India's most productive agricultural plains and population centers they extended control inland.It was exactly because India was so technologically backwards that they were conquered. Yet we are told it was some kind of Wakanda yet the British somehow managed to topple it.
>>184683241750 BC maybe
>>18468739>In 1750 India had no printing press, no mechanical clocks, no complex mechanical tools like windmillsI know next to nothing about pre-modern India, but what you just said doesn't mean anything, the absence or presence of a specific technology is not an indicator of productivity, especially when it comes to pre-industrial technology. Furthermore, Maddison's GDP per capita estimates are based on nothing. Any attempt in measuring GDP per capita before the 20th century is just dumb.
>>18468788>the absence or presence of a specific technology is not an indicator of productivityLmao
>>18468812I like the lack of an actual counter argument
>>18468819It clearly is, you fucking retard and this is a consistent pattern across history. Otherwise the conquistadors would have never been able to conquer the America's, or romans the surrounding lands.
>>18468823>Otherwise the conquistadors would have never been able to conquer the America's, or romans the surrounding lands.Last I checked they defeated primarly because of deseases, they agricultural techniques of the Mexica were actually more advanced than those used in Spain.By your idiotic logic the Mongols were more advanced than the Chinese empire
>>18468823>you fucking retard and this is a consistent pattern across historyIt's not
>>18468324>India>advanced
>>18468830>they agricultural techniques of the Mexica were actually more advanced than those used in SpainWhere did you pick that headcanon up, turdworlder?
>>18468823>this is a consistent pattern across history.I love when /pol/tards that never read an academic book just make shit up. There is plenty of historical evidence that says otherwise.
>>18468334india got conquered by a single trading company>>18468343all of those indian ceod companies are crashing and burning so enjoy it while you can this will never happen again
>>18468728Everything you just wrote is wrong especially the "technologically stagnant" part but I don't care enough to find sources to debunk your moronic claims.
>>18468844>india got conquered by a single trading companyIt was a bit more complex than that
>>18468837>There is plenty of historical evidence that says otherwise.surely you can name an exampleI've already named two for my case
>>18468788>the absence or presence of a specific technology is not an indicator of productivityThese are just a handful of technologies I have mentioned. Windmills were used primarily to grind grain into flour, but they could also be used for other purposes like sawing wood. Similarly the printing press's corkscrew could be used to press grapes or olives or squash dough into thin strips like pasta to help preserve them on long voyages and numerous other tasks. The complex mechanisms of a clock could be used in manufacturing for If you went to a European town you'd have scores of these skilled artisans plying their trade. If you went to India there would be no clockmaker, no printers, no glassblowers who were able to manufacture clear glass, a technology developed by Venice in the middle ages, no sawmill doing the work of 100 burly men with just a dozen, weavers, ropemakers, metalsmiths with water powered bellows and the like would be using technology far in advance of India using machines and economy of scale instead of scores of laborers. India boasted of its cotton industry yet did not have anything resembling a mechanical loom, which you could find in Flanders as early as the middle ages. Many places in India did not even have the scythe until recently. China similarly did not have technology like glassblowing and the archimedes screw, all absent. Europe was conspicuously ahead by the 15th century.>Maddison's GDP per capita estimates are based on nothing. Any attempt in measuring GDP per capita before the 20th century is just dumb.I fail to see what you are arguing. The chart shows GDP not GDP per capita. Are you arguing in favor of the Indians claiming that GDP proves India was wakanda? Or are you arguing against their flagrant misunderstanding of GDP?In any case it doesn't actually affect my argument as I am saying Indians misunderstood the GDP statistics, and if they are flawed then that just backs up my argument.
>>18468855manufacturing for creating precise tools and measuring devices*
>>18468844CopeIndians invented AIAnd wignats seethe about losing jobs to them wondering how this could possibly happen
>>18468866>I'll-a>Poo-Loo-Suck-Himcan't make this shit up
>>18468875>Goes after one of the non Indian namesAverage wignat IQDon't worry Indians won't take your McDonald's cashier job
Rome had toiletes Before Christ Eternal, india doesnt to this day.the first toilete in the world was made by the michenean
>>18468875Nigga that's literally a Russian nameAre white people really this retarded wow
>>18468882let me guess, shit-suck-poo-deep is paki?
>>18468729>Britain looted $45 trillion from IndiaI love how arbitrary people are about numbers when it comes to history. Can't wait to be 60 years old and hear all about the 14 quintillion jews that died in the holocaust part deux (for real this time).
>>18468866wall to wall white men with a few diversity hires thrown in so they don't face frivolous discrimination lawsuits, as usual
>>18468866of course China isn't weighed down by DEI and the emerging competency crisis
>>18468729>Britain looted $45 trillion from Indiameme
>>18468897Lol slant eyed chinki bastardCouldn't fight the European colonizers like India did and instead begged America for help against Japan
>>18468888Digits confirmWignats are all inbred cousinfuckersComplain about Indians taking your jobs that you were never qualified for>Hire me saar I'm whiteThis is what pigskins have been reduced to
>>18468914>spend years criticizing leftists>nothing>criticized Israel once (1)>became a human water fountain less than a week afterGrim.
>>18468914>qualified forjeets are retarded parasites who belong in hell
This thread proves muh high IQ whites is a total memeThe brootal reality is America does in fact need all these Indian H1Bs to do basic tasks (basic to us) like coding because the average white is almost as inbred and retarded as the average Arab and Paki
>>18468918uber jeets will do just fine without you
>>18468853>surely you can name an exampleSure, based on custom records during the Kongolese region of Momboares annually exported to Angola the same amount of clothes Braudel estimates that the Dutch region of Leiden produced which is about 100,000 meters annually and since exports is just a fraction of production we can conclude that Mombares produced more clothes than Leiden despite using very simple looms. >>18468855>The complex mechanisms of a clock could be used in manufacturing forFor what?>you went to India there would be no clockmaker, no printers, no glassblowers who were able to manufacture clear glassEvidently none of those things were considered useful>India boasted of its cotton industry yet did not have anything resembling a mechanical loom, which you could find in Flanders as early as the middle ages.I assume the Dutch also had those (if what you are saying it's true which I doubt), doesn't seem to have helped much since pre civil war Kongo was outperforming them in textile production but then again early mechanical looms weren't as efficient as modern ones.>Many places in India did not even have the scythe until recentlyWho gives a shit? Do you have any data that proves that this resulted in India having lower agricultural productivity?scythe>China similarly did not have technology like glassblowing and the archimedes screw, all absent.Once again why should I care? This has nothing to do with productivity which ultimately what actually matters, people need food to eat not glass >The chart shows GDP not GDP per capitaAnd how to calculate that without GDP per capita, still dumb.>Are you arguing in favor of the Indians claiming that GDP proves India was wakanda?I don't give a fuck you online fueds
>>18468912What the fuck? Is China India's rival or something?I am not Chinese. I denonce the Tianenmen square massacre. I denounce Chairman Mao and Ji Xinping or whatever I need to denounce to prove I am not Chinese.I just posted the facts, most AI patents are from China, not India as you claim, and it is in large part because they are not weighed down by DEI diversity hires like literally every western company.Are you going to continue the track of the conversation or just rant about China even more?
>>18468912More examples of Indian CEOs tanking companies.It is not just due to incompetence, it is in many cases deliberate. Once they have control over finances they will max out the company's credit and use it to hire other Indians, often h1b visas whose salaries they lowkey get a cut from via organized crime. These produce virtually nothing for the company which eventually goes under when creditors realize what is happening and cease lending.
>>18468912Companies like Boeing that are "too big to fail" however see a massive competency crisis. Such as the new Boeing 737 MAX, which was deemed as unnecessary dubious spending by the company to begin with and which randomly started nosediving. Instead of the company crashing, its jumbo jets crash, leading to the deaths of 100s of people. They were found to have outsourced critical flight software.. to India.When an "officer of diversity and inclusion" is suddenly elevated to the position of senior engineer with zero STEM qualifications, in Boeing, a pillar of American engineering, you know something has gone terribly wrong. You know some Indians are pulling a typical and rather obvious scam, but which normies are oblivious to or don't want to seem "racist" calling out.
>>18468858You can do that even without those. I just noticed that the way this post delivers information is kinda robotic did you use AI or something ?
>>18468928NTA, but...Yes, China is India's rival. Have you missed the last 75 years of world history other than what you see on the news? They've been fighting border skirmishes off and on for over a century and have contested water supplies and lands between them.Also, lets be fair here, neither Chinese or Indians are people. Shilling for the Chinks doesn't buy you anything, and China doesn't respect international patent law so those patents are worth precisely dick. They're also built on the back of stolen technology to begin with that no Chinaman understands, and if they did, their own government would kill them for having knowledge that makes them a threat to the State.
>>18468324No, in terms of science and technology, Europe was already pulling ahead by the 16th century and was decisively more advanced by the mid 17th. Mughal India had nothing comparable to the innovations of Gutenberg, Copernicus, Galileo or Van Leeuwenhoek. In terms of art and culture, its more subjective I guess, but as beautiful and technically skilled as Mughal minitures can be (they are among the best of non-Western art) they're rather limited in scope compared the wonders European artists were producing. Again, nowhere else in the world had anything even close to Rembrandt, El Greco or Gian Lorenzo Bernini. Nothing. >only by 1820 did they advance ahead of Chinalol. lmao even.
>>18468343Everything people say about Jews and finance, is actually true about pajeets in tech. Outside of Apple, damm near everyone else has been PAJEETED. Especially Microsoft is basically just a Bharat colony at this point.
>>18469005White pigskins seethe at Jews and Indians because of the crippling whitoid inferiority complex.
>>18468951The chinki just doesn't want to admit Indians invented AI at Google (the entire management chain of Google is Indian btw, go search up their orgchart).
>>18468917Because India is too competitive. So we go to the west where outcompeting whites is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Jeetistani biggest export currently are gote videos
>>18468459I recognize that this board is full of nonces, but seemingly being unaware of the Ottomans is a bit rich.
>>18469012>competitiveEvery company that hires jeets fails, and you parasites undercutting the labor market is bad not good
>>18469351Turkey isn't European
>>18468324India was a major trading center that produced most of the stuff that was in demand at the time. Then their manufacturing was overshadowed by Europe's industrial revolution which was also funded by the wealth taken from colonial India.
>>18468324>never ever>except for the last 120 years or sohe's a retard, who cares
>>18468324Advanced in what? I assume the argument here is about economic development; an argument can be made about that. And frankly you could say that it was around that time where the European nations (excluding the slavic states) really started to diverge from the rest of Urban Eurasia in a major way. At least according to the California school and people who agree with them, other peope trace the great divergence to institutions, culture, things older than that. >>18468339Why do you believe that?>>18468739India did have windmills, where the hell did you get that they didn't?
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>>18469545Wow, a chariot dedicated to a God. How Indian. Also, it's very unlikely people genuinely allowed themselves to be crushed willingly. Some where definitely crushed accidentally every year during the Jagganath festival, but there's no indication this was a feature and not a bug they tried to prevent. And anyway there just isn't much literature talking about it, which is strange, because Indians wrote a lot about why human sacrifice in X situation was bad.
>>18469557SAAR WE ARE ARYAN SAAR PLEASE OPEN BOB AND VAGENE MY BLOODY BASTARD
>>18468324In terms of mechanization, England was more advanced than China by the Norman invasion. More water wheels, more millstones, higher per capita GDP. Intellectually Europe was ahead of China since 300 BC with Euclid’s the Elements. As for >indiaLmao
>>18468926Edit the customs official was Pero Sardinha and his writing date back to the 17th century Source (1968), 361-70.Alvitre de Pero Sardinha, ca. 1611 in Brdsio, Monumenta, VI, 52-53.
>>18468926>Evidently none of those things were considered usefulAnd that’s why poopjeets got curbstomped by a bunch of shopkeepers. Everything else you wrote is irrelevant in light of this.
>>18468324> India was more advanced than Europe until 1750?That's not what the Twitter post was saying. The economic gap between Europe and the rest of the world wasn't that significant before the Industrial revolution.
>>18469351>ottomans spending centuries taking some land in the balkans while jobbing completely means that europe as a whole were getting dominated by muslimsvery impressive indeed
