Why do ancient greek statues have straight noses? Actual greeks don't look like that. Was that just an artistic choice?
>>18469553Modern Greeks =/= Ancient Greeks
Modern Greeks look exactly like this what are you talking about?
>>18469568Yeah but I thought ancient greeks were even swarthier because they lacked slavic ancestry.
>>18469568"Greeks" = Aegean locals."Hellenes" = Yamna invader-rulers,- which is the sister-group of the Luwians over at Troy.Modern Greeks = The mix of those 3 old populations, plus egyptian, middle eastern, roman and turkic influx.With an extra emphasis on eurasian recessive genes from Yamna population having been removed due to constant mediterranean gene influx plus deforestation/desertification of Greece causing those med genes to be more beneficial than they were in the past.
>>18469576Not really, greeks (and balkanoids in general) have beak schnoses.
>>18469553Nope those are still commonly seen Greek features; short forehead, nose that takes up most of the face, curly hair
>>18469553Modern "greeks" are gigamutts with anatolian, slavic, albanian, italian and even turk genetics. Very few of them sto have the ancient phenotype
>>18469583Show handpicked actors and modelsThey dont repeesent the average greek
>>18469585Psarantonis is some random guy from a bumfuck village in Crete...
>>18469585I doubt the idealized statues of literal Gods represented the average ancient Greek either. you think everyone in ancient Greece had the chiseled six packs like on the male statues? Still those features you can see on Greek statues are most commonly seen in Greece than anywhere else
>>18469585>They dont represent the average greekNeither do the statues you retard
>>18469597>>18469583Have you been to Greece/Balkans?
>>18469585>Show handpicked actors and models>They dont repeesent the average greekSo OP can handpick statues to """prove""" his point, but someone else cannot handpick actors and models to """prove""" their point?
>>18469605Have you?
>>18469611I didn't handpick the statues, even realistic ones don't have standard greek schnose.
>>18469617I'm in Serbia rn and yeah most people here have beak noses.
>>18469553i'm italian and i don't think i've ever seen anyone with that nose, it's kinda weird it's like they didn't have any glabella, the sort of like depression between the forehead and the nose, not sure i like it, i don't think it would look very good on a real person
>>18469622it's not really the straightness of the nose here, it's the lack of depression between the nose and the forehead that is jarring, no one has that, not greeks, not other mediterraneans, not northern europeans
>>18469622My dude, you're a slavic-italian mutt, of course you have a beak nose.
>>18469631There are people with very straight noses like that, Fidel was one example
>>18469620Notice how homosexual coded the interest in ''history'' of rightoid chuds is, they never talk about actual history, they are always just obsessed with aesthetics and male forms like a bunch of neurotic gaylords. As always Gorsky described you lot perfectly 70 years ago: >Destroy homosexuality and fascism will disappear - Gorsky
>>18469652Stop sperging out and projecting
The original Greeks were blond Nordics
>>18469635I'm not a serb myself and I assume that all balkanoids (except slovenians) look like that.
>>18469605Yes. Greeks look like the statues and frescos. Have you?
>>18469657>WE WIR ACHILLES UND SCHEISSE!!!
>>18469643both the guys in your pic have straight noses, but yes fidel doesn't have the glabella, a bit similar to the ancient greeks, most people however have that depression between the nose and the browridge like the guy on the leftit's very uncommon in italy, and and i assume in greece too, i genuinely can't think of a single person i know with that
>>18469667>Can't even get his meme text right award
>>18469675Sorry Fritzl.
>>18469633It's a rare phenotype but it does exist, most common in dinarid and eastern mediterranid types
>>18469553Those look like they could be Greek noses. They're prominent with some light convexity. Not every Greek person is a walking stereotype. Some have noses very similar to those statues, and it's likely they were just considered more attractive than huge hook noses. They don't look so different to pic rel and she's Greek.
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>>18469553Anthro-lore and real-life experience suggests that straight noses are the most common among Greeks, the difference with the ancient statues is bridge height (unusually high in statues; not sure if this is an artistic exaggeration or if most ancient Greeks actually had nose bridges that continued right where the forehead ended)>>18469581"Greeks" and "Hellenes" are basically synonymous, originally referring to early Greek-speaking trides in NW to Central Greece. They were already a mix between IE invaders and locals. Luwians were Anatolian-speaking, that branch of IE having broken off way earlier than Greek.>plus egyptian, middle eastern, roman and turkic influxNo (or at least negligible) Egyptian and Turkic/Central Asian admixture according to any study I've seen, "Middle-Eastern" is too broad (some Phoenician-Syrian-Mesopotamian, maybe), Roman is there but not in particularly large quantities. You forgot the Slavs, who contributed genetically more than any Middle-Easterners or Romans, at least in mainland Greece and the nearby islands.
>>18469669I agree, you can find Greeks with such miniscule (practically no) nasal depression but they are a small minority. Che's nose type is certainly more common, straight but lower-rooted with a slightly broader tip and possibly some snubbish tendency
>>18469553They were made to capture specific beauty, not mediocrity.
>>18469768what a pronounced hook nose, definitely not the same pheno as ancient greece, one must look further to the north nowadays
>>18469826>nordigger are the REAL Greeks and Romans Back to eating rotten fish and putting rotten batter in your hair, you inbred scandigger.
>>18469568>>18469581>>18469584cope harder
Are you faggots honestly going to claim that Alexandra Nikolidaki doesn't look like she just walked off the wall of the frescos at Akrotiri or Knossos?
>>18469886How did you manage to find the worst picture of this woman in existence.
>>18469826Looks little like the statue outside of a similar chin, hair too thin and straight vs the thick curly hair of the statue, eyes too small (typical semi-asiatic germanic eyes), forehead too high, nose is smaller and doesn't bend downard like on the statueGenetics show that Angloids/Germoids are so far from the ancient Greeks even literal Levantines are way closer, give it up wewuzzer, you lost
>>18469898Isn't this so much better lol
>>18469906Then why didn't you post this one earlier faggot?
>>18469905>hair too thinYou mean too straight
I saw a woman with that kind of nose bridge two days ago.
What a joy it would be to know that these threads were just a bit of banter.Instead we have genuine retards shitflinging like great apes that they are.
>>18469631You're a Saracen and Moorish mutt.Modern Greeks are Turkish mutts.
zoomers encounter a phenotype in art that is not common anymore for reasonsconclude it could never have been real to begin with
>>18469920No actually. A few of them are, probably the browner ones, but most Greek genetics come from before Turks. Modern Greeks are mostly the same as ancient Greeks. Which is to say that Ancient Greeks looked like this. Maybe not if they were out in the sun all day.
>>18469920>All Italians are ''moorish mutts'' because they had the Moors on an island for 2 centuriesGreeks and Southern Italians are the closest thing to the Myceneans, cope and seethe angloid
This is what the people of Tartary looked like before they were erased
>>18469926Modern Greeks have a higher frequency of light features than the ancient Greeks since they have a minor slavic component to them the ancient Greeks lacked
>>18469620>I didn't handpick the statues>"We investigated ourselves and found out we did nothing wrong"
>>18469871It's pathetic how desperately they want to be meds, you never see random Greeks or Italians going around wewuzzing being vikangz and sheeit. Says a lot about their inferiority complex and how fundamentally self-hating they are. Also, for how much they like to do this ''muh ancestors'' LARP it's actually an insult to their ancestors since the Romans/Greeks spent centuries massacring and enslaving millions of their ''ancestors'' who they saw as inferior barbarians
>>18469886Are you blind? She doesn't.
>>18470459Mate...
>>18469920i would understand your point if that nose was common in northern europe but no, that type of nose isn't common in northern europe at all, for some reason ancient greeks had a trait that was lost to us, not that i even miss such trait, as i don't really consider this sort of contiguous flat structure from the forehead to the nose, i prefer when there's a depression
>>18470618he's right, she doesn't look like the greek statues specifically, ,she's very armenoid
>>18469553A lot of those statues are later roman copies of greek statues
>>18469871>>18470036basal eurasian master race
>>18469873Always funny seeing the "Greeks" get upset when you point out their no history est. by BRITS shithole isnt literally SPARTA. You're even worse than North Macedonians, Albanians and Turks regarding the LARP and thats one fucking achievement.Gyros with extra sauce please
>>18472204>Greece>No historyOk pal that's enough booze
>>18469553I have this exact nose but my weakish jaw makes it look a bit hooked
>>18469553fpbp, turkish rape is one hell of a drug
>>18472214Im talking actual greece not the joke we habe today.Bunch of losers with nothing to show for it who go around yapping about being successors to the ancient hellenes and the eastern romans when they are neither.Comically unaccomplished country in those 200 years of actual history they have. Other than btfoing turks in the balkan war.
>>18472388Well what does your nation have to show for the last 200 years?
>>18472388Modern Greece has actually done fantastic post 1821 all things considered if you bother to read its history. Won most of wars, doubled in land size reaching ancient Greece borders , would take Constantinople if not for the Bolsheviks etc.Can't see how that's bad.
>>18470648It isn't ''lost'' to us. It was probably also a stylistic choice because it's a striking feature
>>18472537And all the stuff between 1453 and 1821 is interesting when you find an author who actually bothers to cover the period. Constant rebellion from day one, attempts to keep Hellenic culture alive while simultaneously existing in a cosmopolitan empire and a diaspora spread across the world.
>>18472673also this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phanariots
>>18472692I am endlessly amused that Cavafy grew up as a Greek in Egypt, proud of being Greek, writing in Greek, thinking Greece was the bee's knees but never actually lived there apart from a few months touring the Athens literary scene.
>>18472558it's striking but not in a guy way, that guy from taormina for instance looks weird, borderline ugly
>>18472558he kinda looks like this greek singer
>>18472537>would take Constantinople if not for the Bolsheviks etcWhy do Greeks always spread this weird fucking lie? They also blame the biggest philhellenes, the british, for their failures.In the greco turkish war they invaded a near dead ottoman empire under muh "liberation of greeks" got a shit ton of turkish civilians murdered, killed GREEK civilians who refused to cooperate.When the invasion was a failure (because of their degenerate strategy) they went scorched earth and destroyed all the villages they wanted to "liberated" and killed all the livestocks because they preferred them dead over turkish.After getting an outrageous amount of people killed over their weird fucking larp they then cry about how britain betrayed them and how the wouldve actually won if it was fair. And then they go to the same british press to cry about how the evil ottomans had the audacity to kill their soldiers. WTF, one of the most unnecssary european wars in history
>>18469553I had a Greek girl in my college class once and it was weird. She looked exactly like Aphrodite. I didn't ask her out though since she was a libtard.
>>18472558>>18472708whoah he looks exactly like the statue almost 1:1. that seals it for me. ancient greeks were like modern meds.that doesnt look like a nord or german. its the white color of the statues that throws us off
>>18472716>t. turkfilth scum
>>18472558same eyes, eyebrows, nose, hair. they look like they could be brothers
>>18472720thats every girl , esp in college
>>18472729t. butthurt greekroach turkfilth rapebaby living in melbourne with no actual rebuttal to his countrys crimes hiding behind insults like his people are famous for
>>18472716If you take a look at the list of wars involving greeces youll notices they were the aggressors almost every time. But you dont double your land by being nice i reckon
>>18472733you are the rapebaby turkfilth scum. and look who is talking about crimes. comical
>>18472735Keep those tears coming you little cockroach. Next time try winning the wars you started. Put on your little faggot dress (stolen from albanians) the next time you serve tourists gyros for 3 euros a month
>>18472716Tbh both greeks and turks suffer from severe cases of wedindunuffin. Plenty of turks cannot comprehend they did abhorrent hings to greeks. Plenty of greeks like the keyboard warrior ITT will never acknowledge they absolutely were the villains in the second greco-turkish war
>>18472734>>18472753This. Both sides have committed crimes, and unfortunately this can only end one way.
>>18472720Like Aphrodite? As in a war goddess with a spear and big titties out and about?
>>18472866>Aphrodite >War goddess The fucking state of this board. Athena is the goddess of war MALAKA!
>>18469585Many civilizations choose their most beautiful denizens for artistic representation, only leftfags would do something as shitty and retarded as Concorde, it was funny to see it go broke and get cancelled while Stellarblade sold hundreds of thousands.
Someone post that greek female swimmer.
>>18472880Probably a FGO fag thinking Ishtar/Astarte.Anyway this thread is stupid, any med country (and even latinos) can easily pull some fair looking models (jeets can't though kek)
>>18472880>>18472898>Doesn't know that Aphrodite is an expy of Inanna Jej. In Sparta she was worshipped as war goddess as well. Half assers are worse than ignorant people
>>18469553>Actual greeks don't look like thatNot the modern ones, no.
>>18469580>>Yeah but I thought ancient greeks were even swarthierYou've been buying into too many "reconstructions" of ancient people, haven't you? By their own depictions and descriptions in their own literature, ancient Greeks had light colored eyes, fair hair, and aquiline noses. This has produced endless seethe and cope from people who insist >I-i-its not how people actually looked! they were just using what they believed to be attractive features! (that happen to be white people features...)>th-they were being metaphorical when they described Gods and Heroes in the Illiad as having blue or gray eyes! it's not literal! it's not!!!
>>18472983>ancient greece>white
>>18472983>By their own depictions and descriptions in their own literature, ancient Greeks had light colored eyes, fair hairlmaoAncient Greeks were swarthier than modern Greeks since they lacked the slav admixture modern Greeks have, modern Greeks have a higher frequency of light features than the ancient Greeks
>>18472983>Gods and Heroes in the Illiad as having blue or gray eyesin iliad only athena had blue/gray eyes. other instances in english translations like bright eyed didn't use color words in original text.almost all greek gods were brown-eyed, greeks generally considered light eyes unattractive, unlike hair
>>18473149a lot of times they insert golden hair where no hair colour was described. and of course they almost always translate ευκωμος as fairhaired
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>>18473143I think I there's a DNA research that shows Greeks (Mycenaeans and onwards) were basically a mixture of the people who brought the language (at what ever stage it was then) mixed with the local "pre Greek" population. That's when the Greek civilization basically began. Even in the Greek language there are many words (often very important words like "θάλαττα"-"sea") that most likely have local non IE origin. I don't like the term "swarthy" to be honest but it's hard to not believe that the Greeks were a Mediterranean looking population when the DNA of ancient Greeks points to that.
>>18469553>>18469582>>18469620>>18469826what's your point actually lmao? every second Roman patrician or emperor had aquiline noses (sulla, mark antony, cato major and minor, drusus, augustus, livia, tiberius, claudius, galba, vespasian, domitian, titus, vitellius, nerva, verus, constantine, etc), but you still claim they were "white Nordics". if those idealized statues of Greek gods had the same noses, it wouldn't stop you
>>18469583>Andri Cartoni>is a pale and blue eyed womanYes just like the ancient Greeks :)
>>18473201>andri cartonifunny
>>18473193To be fair who the fuck wants to be a Germ? Can you blame them for daydreaming about being anything other than a Germ?
>>18473149>posts Atermis Lets post some depictions of Apollo?Anyways. Why is it all or nothing with you retards. Greece is big and many peoples have traversed and moved in and out for thousands of years. Its very likely there was a large portion of fair hair, skin and eyes in the populace
>>18473201>it's_still_real_to_me_dammit
>>18473215have you seen any statues of him with blue eyes?
>>18473156correct. there are kind of 4 light haired characters (achilles, menelaus, demeter, apollo), 2 black-haired (poseidon and hector), 2 black-browed (zeus and hera), and 1 light eyed maiden with this distinctive feature. "full of nordics iliad" is just a meme.real greeks were pic rel>>18473215artemis, hera, aphrodite and demeter had brown eyes. among male gods probably only poseidon had blue eyes referring to roman works. apollo wasn't described like that, idk
>>18473215A minority had light features, they still weren't related to you whatsoever just because a minority of them had le blue eyez. Same reason Beethoven and Martin Luther aren't related to Arabs just because they happened to have dark hair and eyes like most Arabs do. Imagine if Arabs started wewuzzing them just based on those 2 physical traits taken in isolation, wouldn't it be utterly laughable? That's what you pathetic retards do. Thinking like this is the epitome of retardation and only desperate nordicists do it because they are ashamed by their ooga booga-tier ancient history in northern Europe
>>18473236>Imagine if Arabs started wewuzzing them just based on those 2 physical traits taken in isolationkek based. idk why nordics have such inferiority complex and wewuz other achievements like africans. unlike blacks they can be proud of modern wealthy, low crime, clean streets, etc
>>18473236>BeethovenSubject of Afrocentric we wuzing. But it goes to show that it's just the kang version of Nordicism.
>>18469553OP is a salty Serb btw>>>/int/221439028
>>18473170>Even in the Greek language there are many words (often very important words like "θάλαττα"-"sea") that most likely have local non IE origin.No. when a borrowing and an inherited etymology are equally possible, the EDG assumed the word was borrowed without explicitly stating why, but we think that it might be better to prefer an inherited etymology when the evidence allows it
>>18469553these look exactly like modern day Slavs
