The Sophists told Socrates what was up. That truth and morality are indeed relative. What's true and moral today will be untrue and immoral tomorrow based on the whims and tastes of whoever has the power (within certain boundaries of course). This pisses people off. They want to pretend life has more meaning and realness. They want to pretend these things are deeper than they actually are. That the current moral "truths" of our age prevail because they "passed the scientific method" and won fair and square in the so called "free marketplace of ideas" and not because they have the same brutish power (whether explicit or implicit) backing them up as literally every other regime in all of history. They just found a way to hide behind more dense language, euphemisms, and networks of bureaucracy and plausible deniability. The normies have been assblasted ever since and have used "sophist" as an insult ever since.
The truth takes time to uncover and clear up, so morality follows suit. A lot of it is difficult to understand and speaking in such broad terms and phrases makes it difficult to understand and grasp why so is so.A clear mind is needed to dive deep into situations and probe further on the multiple layers that compose our lives and be able to ascertain when something is legitimate and what is pure conjecture.
>>18469688Its objectively bad to stab a your grandmother in the eyes. You will need to add some false hypothetical to try and prove that it's objectively good. No one agrees with you that stabing your grandmother in the eyes is somehow an example of moral righteousness. You have a psychological dissorder OP, and you need help. Seek a professional for evaluation before you hurt any more innocent people with your unsound arguments.
>>18469688I'm convinced socrates was the first anti establishment hippie. The athenians were justified in executing him
>>18470444Also, Socrates had a number of followers who became leaders of the so-called “Thirty Tyrants”, a puppet government installed in Athens by Sparta after their defeat in the Peloponnesian War. This was an extremely bloody and chaotic period in Athenian politics, with thousands of people being executed by the new government and their property confiscated. The Thirty Tyrants would later be overthrown and democracy restored in Athens, and it was this democratic government which ultimately put Socrates on trial.Socrates’ main crime was ‘corrupting the youth’, and this charge was almost certainly in regards to Socrates’ close relationship with his student Critias, one of those aforementioned tyrants. It is also notable that whenever Plato mentions Critias in his writings, it’s always to show Critias as bloodthirsty and Socrates and trying to remain righteous, frankly in my opinion a bit of after-the-fact revisionism by Plato trying to show Socrates as the good and noble teacher and Critias as the bad and immoral student, and in effect distancing Socrates from any responsibility for Critias’ actions.
>>18469688Protagoras said something like that the i was the measure of all things
>>18470420>Its objectively bad to stab a your grandmother in the eyes.Because we feel it's bad. That's subjective. There's no law of physics that is violated by it. A lot of people think not believing is God is evil. Is it? A lot of people believe abortion is evil. Etc. There's no law of reality that defines objective morality>No one agrees with you that stabing your grandmother in the eyes is somehow an example of moral righteousness.you kinda proved OP right here. You admitted that something being morally bad is a matter of consensus - we all think its bad, therefore its bad.
>>18470420There are no objective oughts, only useful ones. Most laws come into being because they're useful (or perceived to be useful) in achieving a certain end.
>>18471281Sufficient consensus suggests inherent truth. If essentially everyone agrees on something, there's probably an objective reason for it that we are simply unable to comprehend or articulate in objective terms.
>>18471295>Sufficient consensus suggests inherent truth.No it doesn't. If most people agree that stars are holes in celestial spheres through which the light from the Heavens shines, like they used to, does that make it true?If everyone agrees that time flows the same for everyone, does that mean it's true?And what percentage do you declare to be "Sufficient consensus"?If everyone around you disagreed with you on a moral issue, would you think their stance is objective truth, and yours is objectively evil? No, you'd still think yours is objectively righteous, and everyone is wrong.>there's probably an objective reason for it that we are simply unable to comprehend or articulatewell that's handy, you can support anything with that kind of reasoning.
>>18471295If everyone said you are a faggot who loves to suck cock would that be true because of consensus?
>>18469688Kys AI retard.
>>18471281>There's no law of physics that is violated by it.Consciousness is metaphysical, you braindead sophist.
>>18471517>Consciousness is metaphysicalnope
