Why wasn't the United States founded as a Christian nation?
>>18469751Only 20% of the U.S. actually belonged to a church in 1776
>>18469751America was founded on Masonic values, not Christian ones.
>>18469751The founders all came from different churches, many of which didn't consider the other to be Christian. Among them were also some deists and enlighteners, too. As ecumenism didn't really exist back then designating a state 'religion' was a bit of a pipeline toward a state church, so secularism was preferred by all. As someone else said a lot of the population didn't actually go to church at the time and primary sources at the time always remark on the general desolation of churches and impiety. The first/second great awakenings were seen a miraclous for a reason.The colonies also had a small number of Jews they didn't necessarily wish to alienate, not for practical reasons (well maybe the southerners), just politeness. >>18469757It was actually even less. Around 10%.https://sci-hub.mx/10.2307/3711102>>18469790Same thing unless you are popetarded
>>18469818The American values of individuate liberty / freedom derived from Freemasonry are explicitly anti-Christian. The Bible characterizes followers of Christ as slaves to Christ, after all. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%206%3A5-9&version=NIV
>>18469820I'm not going to debate this nonsense with you.
>>18469823That's because you know I'm right
>>18469834It's because a bible babble contest is pointless.
>>18469751The Founding Fathers wanted to be Cyrus 2.0 or something
>>18469751America does not belong to the US
>>18469751>Why wasn't the United States founded as a Christian nation?Lets say, hypothetically, that they had limited freedom of religion to only Christianity... Then what would have happened is corrupt jews would have defined Christianity as the worship of Jews and the love of niggers, and anyone who said otherwise would have no protection from their dispensationalist heresies.So, in their wisdom, they made it undefined, knowing the Truth would be able to rise again to water the tree of liberty with the blood of jews and dark hell-spawned demons in the future with constitutional protection to dish out said justice under the clause of the 1st amendment
> "As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ...So the founding fathers loved muzzies?
>>18470234Morocco is America's oldest ally, even older than France.
>>18469818>Same thing unless you are popetardedI'm not Christian or a Mason, but it is my understanding that a core christian value is that Jesus christ is the coequal and coeternal son of god who died to redeem humanity of a curse placed upon it by God. But that faith in him as god is at least partly necessary to receive that salvation. Therefore any nonchristian is deeply misguided and potentially even damned solely on that basis.Meanwhile, masons only require from their members belief in a supreme being.
>>18469751Because half of the founding fathers were not christians but deists, the wars of religion in Europe were still fresh in the cultural memory and the fundations of the revolution were derived from enlightenment philosophy critical of organised religion and wary of mixing religion with politics
I have absolutely no knowledge on the subject and am talking purely out of my ass.Anyway, I believe its because the two types of officially christian countries they cared were catholics or anglicans. Both of these explicitly gave divine right of rule to a monarch so by making the country secular you prevent any would be dictator from using the church as a legitimising factor.
>>18470353*cared about
>>18470240Yeah. But I don't see how that actually conflicts with Christianity institutionally, Christians can be Masons (according to non-catholic churches). Masons don't force you to become a deist or anything. Most catholic criticism of Masonic lodges is of the revolutionary continental ones, anyway.
>>18470353That wouldn't have worked anyway. Catholic were two percent of the population and Anglicans made up a large minority, but not enough to not get ganged up on by everyone else. Aside from that, many founders weren't very orthodox Christians, if they were Christians at all.
>>18469751>tranquility of Muslims >entire war started because Muslims had a deep seated need to raid and pillage for money and slave pussy and would stop bullying US merchant vessels
>>18469751Mainly because christians are self-entitled assholes and the founding fathers didn't knew how much worse it is with the other religions or replacing it with political ideology
>>18470396>Can't even read
>>18469751Adams was lying. It's a diplomat's job to lie.
>>18469751nah they were all over the place living lives, outsource the politics, let them yap while the Reformation goes forward
>>18469751BECAUSE THE ONES WHO PLANNED AND EXECUTED THE SECESSION OF THE COLONIES WERE FREEMASONS.
>>18469790SPBPAmerica has never been a Christian nation. The Pilgrims were not Christians, they were cultists who practiced an offshoot of Christianity, and to this day these Christian based cults form the vast majority of American churches. Mainline orthodox denominations such as Catholicism, Anglicanism, Lutheranism, etc. Have always been a small minority within the religious landscape. >>18470240You are absolutely correct.>>18470367Because you don't know anything about the fundamentals of Christianity. You either worship the Triune God of Abraham or you don't. To deny Christ is to deny God, the Scriptures are black and white on the issue. To believe in a Supreme Being without believing the Trinity is fundamentally opposed to Christianity.
>>18469751founder knew trying to establish an official church would be pointless since multiple christian groups were present, that and while it was a while, to many the impact of shit like the 30 years war and various other religious wars was still notable and thus made them wary of implementing something that could trigger a similiar shitshow
>>18469751The influence of religion in modern America should be attributed to the legacy of the Second Great Awakening. The founders thought organized religion would phase out gradually in a rational-minded republic, and many of them were very skeptical about the teachings of the church, as they were men of the Enlightenment age.The Second Great Awakening is the real origin of religious influence in American life. As you might guess, no matter how enlightened a small group of elites were, the people at large were pretty superstitious. Because the Revolution overthrew the authority of many established institutions, including the church, they started to interpret religion in their own "unique way," as they saw fit, because they no longer trusted the authority of traditional priests. The result was the spread of religion instead of science.
America was founded on frontier colonialism not religion
>>18470240>faith in him as god is at least partly necessary to receive that salvationIt's required to understand and spread his true gospel. Which is the mission of the church.But he can still save people who depreciate him personally as the son of man, saying he's not God.To be clear, in order to belong visibly to the church it's necessary to confess that Christ is the Lord God.It's really up to him. The Jews should have known better because they had Moses and the prophets who spoke of him and he himself ministered directly to them, but he forgave the Roman soldiers on the cross saying they didn't know what they were doing even though they didn't immediately recognize him as God. Their ignorance and unrecognition was actually part of his Father's design, it's why Jesus told his disciples to avoid the gentiles for a time.If you live according to his expectations of you, with love for truth and justice and with forgiveness for your fellow man, that indicates you listen to his word inside, even if you never heard of his name.Basically he's the Logos and image of God through whom all men are created, so every fully formed and developed healthy man has the capacity to hear him in their conscience, and if they receive and hold fast to him then he will not abandon them.As he said, if you love me you will need my commandments.Still, the power he gave to his apostles to forgive sins is very real and will be respected on the last day. It's just that his grace isn't limited to the church even if the church *alone* in the world possesses the ordinary means of grace found in the sacraments, he can act outside these through extraordinary means if he so chooses.
>>18470807Individual Masons (most of them, statistically) can affirm Jesus Christ is the son of God and the trinity while belonging to an organization that does not necessarily require all its members to do so. I don't know what is so hard to understand about that.
>>18469757It was illegal to not belong to a state church actually.
>>18469751What were the racial demographics of America?Whiter than today?
>>18469751Friends, have you ever been to bostontown or providence, unless providence or bostontown were to extend theocratic power o’er the whole globe then there would be a necessity be a need for a conflict between church and state, with boston or providence town vying with the globe if the sinecure of the globe could not be won, as things are boston is a city upon a hill and providence is in the island of roads and the church is separate from the state and john winthrops as a figure that speaks to lecture republicans that they ought to shape up and smoke more weed as a part of a practice and observance of nature’s blessings
>>18471497Not really. I think African Americans were a bigger % of the population than they are today actually
>>18471321Because the Masons aren't a secular organization, they're a religious cult. By making belief in a Supreme Being a prerequisite for membership, their belief system is established on a theological foundation. I don't understand why you can't connect the dots when the contradiction is so obvious.
A deeper reason: America was mostly male given it was a bunch of colonies for mining, logging, and farming; so drinking, gambling, whoring, etc was popular. All the women were either puritan housewives or pimped whores. Good luck convincing those men to drop the bottle and the bawdies to go spend their only day off hearing some sermon remind them theyre evil and deserve hell for natural manly urges like having sex with women
>>18470396Many of the barbary pirates were infact Euro Christian renegades; hence they were able to raid as far as Iceland, Ireland, Wales, and West England. They ofocurse raided France and the Italian Peninsula with ease
>>18471497America was whitest in the mid 20th century.
>>18469751It's true that many of the founders DID fervently believe in God, but it was more a type of rational scientific type of Deism, than any type of Christianity.In the Enlightenment (1600s-early 1800s), most learned men were Deists. They weren't Christians because they had a belief in true science and history which is not compatible with the shitwit Jewish bronze age ignorance of Christianity.
