https://bookofconcord.org/The Lutheran book of concord is the most coherent, the most simple, the most clear, the most objective and first and foremost biblically accurate explanation of christianity and the bible.The Small Catechism is especially a great read and was a thing all lutherans had to remember.There are also very accurate descriptions of the catholic church which apply today. For example the Large Catechism basically calls out the papalists as boy fuckers without directly saying it. In the 16th century.
>sola scriptura means everyone makes up their own shit!false. as evidenced by book of concord. its mainly a rejection of papal authtority and such. everything still works the same way.
>>18469876Two of Luthers doctrines are directly refuted by scripture. Sola Fide is directly addressed and killed in James 2 and Sola Scriptura is nowhere to be found as a doctrine within the scriptura itself.>2 Thessalonians 2:15, So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
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>>18469896Ephesians 2:8-9justification is by faith alone but the argument (and correct one) is that true faith will produce good worksthe bible quote you gave is about apostolic age and this is how it works in practice in all churches outside of early church unless the church makes up some shit for societal reasons like the orthodox and catholic churches do time to time>>18469907see you in valhalla
>>18469916Okay, you follow a doctrine that was given by mouth outside of the apostolic age.
>>18469929You misunderstand sola scriptura.its like putting bible before the church while catholics will put the church before the bible
>>18469938>>18469929like it doesnt flush down the fact that humans have agreements and texts and things they believe differentlythats making it dumb by making it black and white
>>18469938Scripture informs Catholic doctrine...
>>18469943they are very big stretches and most of them are just human corruption issues like holding infinite masses like what they did in the medieval age...for money
>>18469955I don't know what you mean by infinite masses. If you're talking about abuses in regards to indulgences, I would ask you this; If you hold that indulgences are a sinful practice because of some abuses done by the clergy then is it okay to reject them wholesale? Would you apply this logic to something you hold to be true or good? Such as a pastor using tithes to go on vacation, or misusing the bible to excuse some behavior or sin?And I will also say, it's not a stretch that Jesus Christ made Peter the visible head of his Church, it's quite evident in scripture and the early Church is pretty unanimous in that belief.
>>18469994during the times of reformation. It was not unusual for the catholic church to hold many masses per day every single day, private and public ones, for payment
>>18469994>And I will also say, it's not a stretch that Jesus Christ made Peter the visible head of his Church, it's quite evident in scripture and the early Church is pretty unanimous in that belief.first among equals is the only argument the early church went by and anything else was always politicalindulgences were founded upon a false theory of purgatory and it is inheritently abusive and made just to collect money
>>18469938The church existed before the bible did.
>>18470153they had the scripture and the Word. The biblical canon came after the church, but its not like sola scriptura claims the bible is quran or somethingthe bible is an authority, not a chronologythe diet of worms is a good show case of what this is really abouthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LksxZ8EVTS0
>>18470025Purgatory actually does have a supporting passage in scripture.>1 Corinthians 3:11-15- “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.”So, we see a faithful man suffer loss through the burnings of his works but he is saved through fire. Purgatory is not baseless as many people assume.
>>18469876The context around that book makes me alugh.
>>18469876>>18469882>>18469938Generally the only ones who present it that way are Catholic polemicists. Reformation Protestantism has always understood it to mean that the Bible is the sole infallible authority in reference to religious doctrine and practice, in contradistinction to the Roman view which asserts the Roman Church (headed by the Pope) is itself the infallible authority that must be referred to. The Protestant view on the other hand is that the Bible provides an objective (and in their view infallible) criteria against which religious claims can be tested."e.g. Prima Scriptura. Scripture/the book above all else. Not dictating the rule of faith by priests,popes, what have you.Sola Scriptura was a response to the abject corruption of the Roman ecclesiastical hierarchy. The original idea wasn't so much that God dictated the Bible and all else is dust, as modern fundamentalists would have it. The idea was that even though God ordained St. Peter as the rock of the Church, the apostolic succession has failed and so the Church no longer holds a warrant from God. Thus, scripture is all that is left to us to know God's true teaching.Men is so corrupt, churches try to cover terrible things up all the time and in the past. I just don't see how the 'church/state' can be trusted.Even if it may have started Holy with Paul, the church like pharisees and ruling Jews that betrayed their faith and rejected Christ.
>>18470153This is the issue with sola scriptura people. Christ left a church, not a book, and the Bible we have today was formalised until about 400 years after His death. Unlike the Torah or Koran, Jesus did not dictate a set of words to be recorded and followed to the letter. The closing words of the Gospel of St John specifically state Jesus did many things that were not recorded, so the Bible cannot be an exclusive authority on His teachings. They also have a problem because they accept the authority of the Church when it comes to what books are in the Bible, but then reject everything else.
>>18470419>Christ left a church, not a book, He left both>and the Bible we have today was formalised until about 400 years after His death. That's just wrong, Revelation was written by 100 AD>Unlike the Torah or Koran, Jesus did not dictate a set of words to be recorded and followed to the letter.What are the Epistles? I thought Jesus left a church? So the words of the apostles themselves establishing that exact church don't matter and instead he meant a nebulous idea of "the church" with nothing to reference it against? Or did he not expect the church to outlast the apostles, and therefore there was no need to write anything down?
>>18470447Do you think the Bible compiled itself? Or are you acting stupid?
>>18470453>Do you think the Bible compiled itself?The apostles wrote the New Testament broMatthew - apostleMark - Peter's scribe transcribing Peter's sermonsLuke - Paul's associate (Paul mentions him in Colossians)John - apostleActs - written by LukePaul's letters - written by PaulGeneral letters - written by James, Peter, John, and Jude (apostles)Revelation - written by JohnAll the books that didn't make the canon like the Didache or the Shepherd of Hermas weren't apostolic or were of doubtful authorship like the Gospel of James or ThomasAnd the Old Testament was already compiled
> The Lutheran book of concord is the most coherent, the most simple, the most clear, the most objective and first and foremost biblically accurate explanation of christianity and the bible.lol no. Thomas Aquinas mogs Martin Luther.
>>18470665That's interesting that you adhere to specifically this tradition of the Catholic Church but no other.
