This week there has been much discussion about the Greeks and their history, particularly about their Indo-European identity. Arguments about their low steppe ancestry and whether they were in fact an Indo-European civilization have been put forward by figures such as lazadiris who recently stated this: So, who is correct in this conflict? Is there even a significant non-Indo-European substratum in Greek? How Indo-European is Greek civilization and its culture? Are there biases here?
>>18470489As I said to another anonymous person in the other thread, Hesiod has a bias towards periodizing history, from a more glorious past to the present day, from the age of heroes to the Iron Age Obviously, he remembered an ancestor from the Catacombs culture living in a caravan. Regarding ancestry, we have Dorian samples with 30% steppe, a Mediterranean pattern. And more importantly, Thucydides recalls a time when people were perhaps semi-nomadic and there were a series of migrations and invasions. 1/4
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>>184705594/4So, in summary, the Greeks and their tradition challenge, at least in a way, an archaic and distant period dominated by conflict and nomadism, which, being prior to the Mycenaean era, may represent the incursions of the IE.
>>18470489They were very Indo-European. I don't trust Lazadiris everything he says seems biased. The Greeks preserved their Indo-European heritage sufficiently to have direct parallels with the *koryanos
>>18470554In Greek mythology there's an understanding that they descend from northwestern Greece The same area considered today as first settlement of the protoGreeks. they did remember the 40% steppe proto-Greeks that conquered the EEFs of Hellas.
>phoenicians traded with greece a bit>therefore greece is afro-arab now>and athena was black african>o algo..not even levantines at this time were afro-arab
>>18470489Despite genetic considerations, I'm always suspicious when the term "pre-Greek" or "Aegean" is used, especially in a linguistic context. It's said that Aphrodite is of "pre-Greek" origin, but there's an article that Aphrodite has Indo-European roots as a goddess of the dawn, derived from the PIE _h2éhsōs. Although etymologically bizarre at first, the various parallels between Aphrodite and the Vedic goddess Uṣas are interesting. Both are described as "daughter of the sky" and associated with the calm of the sea, the rescue of sailors, and epithets of brilliance and color. Aphrodite may come from a reconstructed form _abʰro-dih2-to-, "shining from the mist/foam". Furthermore, symbols such as chariots, dawn cows, and the color white link Aphrodite to Uṣas, and ancient inscriptions treat Aphrodite _Ōrthō_ as dawn or morning star.
>>18470624The fault lies with Beekes many words considered pre-Greek often have good Indo-European etymologies.https://www.academia.edu/41561748/An_Etymological_Case_Study_on_the_PG_and_PG_Vocabulary_in_Robert_Beekes_s_new_Etymological_Dictionary_of_Greek_M
>>18470633there is a consensus that more than half of the words in the Greek lexicon are of non-Indo-European originLazadiris won, again
>>18470635ntasource?
>>18470666His head>>18470635>more than half of the wordsMore than 50%? Where did you get that number from, you idiot?
