How do these 3 brown people (Western Hunter gathers, Early European Farmers, and Yamnaya) mixing create white Europeans (specifically "Nordic" traits)? Am I missing something here? Is this some new age common core math?
>>18472927These are Jewish "reconstructions."
>>18472927- race isn't skin color, you're retarded.- lighter skin becomes slightly advantageous with the transition to a farming diet- blonde hair was introduced by Ancient North Eurasians, via hunter gatherers, and may have been selectively preferred, or hitched a ride alongside other advantageous traits so as to become more prominent- all 3 of those reconstructions are faulted- Ancient Anatolians and Caucasians were separate groups, and neither looked like that (their majority-descended populations... say Sardinians and Georgians, don't)
>>18472927WHG actually has light skin alleles.Inferring phenotype and intelligence of ancient populations is not nearly as scientific as some want it to be because we can only determine what the genes of contemporary people do experimentally.>EHG has a random gene that does X.>Gene is virtually absent from modern pops.>Nobody knows what it does
I don't get it either. Looking more and more like "white people are an advanced race of aliens who intermarried with brown homo sapiens" is looking more and more like a sane, salient answer given there are apparently no examples of nordic humans among ANY European ancestor peoples.
>>18472927>>18472959ANE were NWE and looked like this.They weren't brown in the slightest
>>18472927How did these things mix together to create humans?
>>18472943>- lighter skin becomes slightly advantageous with the transition to a farming dietThis makes no sense and I doubt you can produce a single shred of scientific evidence to back it up. >blonde hair was introduced by Ancient North EurasiansHave yet to see a single reconstruction of these people that is blond or pale
>>18472943>>18472955These pajeets can't create us meanwhile Indian-Eurofags say the oldest people on the planet wuz created by West Asian pajeets. Kek
>>18472927No one is allowed to be white. Not the WHG, EEF, or Yamnaya. They won't let you have even one.
>>18472964>This makes no sense and I doubt you can produce a single shred of scientific evidence to back it upA hunter-gatherer diet is richer in vitamin-D than an agriculture-based diet. Less dietary vit-D means greater reliance on vit-D synthesized from sunlight. Lighter skin enables more synthesis at the increased risk of skin cancer.The earliest known alleles for blonde hair as found in modern west Eurasians existed among Ancient North Eurasians. They weren't all blonde, but the trait spread with their descendants (even after their disappearance as a distinct population), and became more prominent in some places. Possibly by selection, possibly by beneficial association, possibly by coincidence. They weren't super-pale, but not too dark either. Probably similar to native Americans living in similar climes. Their mixed descendants would become paler over time following agriculture.>Bu-bu-but Native Americans also have North Eurasian ancestry, and none of them are blonde!They're probably descended from an earlier, non-blonde branch, or have the alleles as such low frequency that it never manifests (hair color, like most traits, is polygenic).
>>18472987Sorry but it's not adding up. How do you go from "maybe some of them were blonde idk we can't find the DNA for it" to "literally the vast majority of people in this region are blond haired and blue eyed"
>>18472980- Again, skin color isn't race. Pigmentation accounts for about 0.001% of the genome.- Ancient Eurasian populations would have likely had coloration similar to Native American occupying similar climates, so the first two are probably too dark.- Again, Anatolians and Caucasians were similar, but distinct groups. Their two most heavily-derived modern groups (Sardinians and Georgians, respectively) do not resemble that second reconstruction.- East-European hunter-gatherers didn't have nearly that much East Eurasian ancestry; they were a hybrid of western hunter-gatherers and north eurasians (who were *slightly* east eurasian, but an early form thereof).
>>18472927It's weird how the more Yamnaya someone has. The less Yamnaya they look. It's almost like the reconstructions are one big lie and were created to stroke the egos of Pajeets.
>>18473008Yeah nah. Blond hair and blue eyes are recessive alleles, that's why those traits inevitably disappear whenever a blond/blue-eyed population mixes with browns. There's no way a region like Scandinavia which had a majority of its population blond and blue-eyed could have ever at any point been mostly inhabited by people with dominant brown hair/eye genes, unless those people were exterminated and replaced by the blond and blue-eyed people. Intermixing would've just resulted in less blond and blue-eyed people, not more. Your "it's just pigment bro" explanation does not explain how Scandinavia as we know it, with its majority blond and blue-eyed population, could come into existence.
>>18473000We can find the DNA for it. Human remains from Siberia from over 10,000 years ago have the same alleles for light hair found in modern people. They didn't have blue eyes, though (maybe a rare few did, I dunno). That's a very old trait which was commonplace in European hunter-gatherers, not North Eurasians.No modern population has a *VAST* majority of blue-eyed blonds, and there's only a limited region where it's a majority. Why these traits became more common isn't known, but all human traits become more or less prominent over time and distance.What you would probably consider a "generic huwite person" didn't exist until about 5,000 years ago. Almost all modern populations in Europe are a 4-part composite of Neolithic Anatolians, Caucasians, European hunter-gatherers, and Ancient North Eurasians
>>18473008I still don't see how you can get Nordic features out of a race of short brown people with brown hair and eyes. It's like mixing mud and somehow getting lapis lazuli blue out of it.
>>18473022>>No modern population has a *VAST* majority of blue-eyed blondsLiterally 75-80% of Scandinavia TODAY is blond. And that number has only gone down over the last few decades. You overplayed your hand, kike. Not replying to your bad faith shit anymore. I bet in 20 years you'll be trying to gaslight everyone that "akshully Sweden was always only 10% blond!"Fucking Jewish rat
>>18472927Because top actually had light features, bottom was only slightly swarthier, and middle, while notably swarthier than the other two, was still not that dark. But as long as people are going to lie in their reconstructions, this >>18472959 answer the funniest way to troll them.
>>18473031>The reason they have so much blonde hair and blue eyes is just some weird accident of a few WHGs (who we claim are brown) with a blue eye mutation, EEFs (who we claim are brown) with a skin mutation), and Yamnayas (who we also claim are brown) with some other possible traits. It doesn't mean anything and has nothing to do with WHG, EEF, or Yamnaya ancestry. And it's just by dumb luck those meaningless traits appear to be uniform in that population.
>>18473016Traits can (and almost inevitably always do) become more or less common over time. And just because an ancient reference population may not widely exhibit certain traits, doesn't mean that a branch of that population, nearly identical otherwise, couldn't exhibit those traits. Blonde hair isn't really recessive, it's more that it averages out. It's also very not dependent on a single gene.Modern Scandinavians aren't closely related to mesolithic Scandinavians, but there never was a complete replacement, either. Rather, successive migrations (2-3 major ones) partially overlaying the existing population.
>>18473023By your logic, all humans populations would look mostly the same. The process:- Certain trait exists in population A at moderate frequency (let's say blue feet)- other traits exist at low frequency in population B (bristly orange hair)- there is a merger of some A with an atypical branch of B (more orange haired than is usual)- Environmental pressure and pure chance result in traits becoming more prominent over centuries/millennia- New population C is heavily blue-footed and bristly orange haired, unlike other people on earth (also, seemingly unrelated genes newly relative to survival may also ahve a favorable association with blue feet and orange hair) And to reiterate for a third time, all 3 of those "reconstructions" are suspect.
>>18473031>Literally 75-80% of Scandinavia TODAY is blond.Nobody who has actually lives there would claim this (and I'm talking actual natives, not immigrants). Among children, yes (it's probably even higher than this among children), but not adults. Scandinavia has a *majority* of blondes, but it's not a massive majority. Plenty of people with shades of brown hair. Also, Finns and Estonians are blonder.You are a spazz arguing with imaginary enemies.
>>18472962>ANE distances map
>>18473044Now you're spazzing as well.WHG's precise skin color is unknown (and would have varied geographically), but they did not have the alleles for skin color present in modern European populations. The best assumption is that they were similar, in terms of pigmentation, to Native Americans living in similar climates (both being hunter-gatherers). "Brown" isn't a race. If you think that, you're retarded. Among modern populations, WHG's were most closely related to populations today which are most frequently blue-eyed: Balts, Finns, Scandos.EEF's became paler over time as a result of:1: migration to climates with less sun exposure2: adjustment to an agricultural diet over millenniaThe Globular Amphorae Culture of presnt-day Germany and Poland was heavily blue-eyed and blonde-haired, yet overwhelmingly of EEF stock. Traits emerge/decline over time, especially with lower populations and migrations. Their closest relatives today are Sardinains.Yamnaya (more accurately Early IE-Steppe people) were a 50-50 mix of EHG's and Caucasians. Nobody here said they were "brown," but based on studies they'd have a pigmentation range from pale-to-olive, averaging around a light tan. After merging with EEF's, their descendants would become slightly paler over time, if conditions called for it. Which DNA studies have shown.
>>18473080I don't trust any of these maps, but those are some goofy parameters. France (as just one example) is only going to be marginally lower than Germany, but they have it at the same gradient as Cambodia, which is going to be almost zero.
>>18473031Still waiting for your response, anon:>>18473064Pic related, Swedish team photo. Hard to tell with the edge cases, but no more than 65% blond. There's plenty more like this. You know nothing about Scandinavia, and believe any memes if they flatter your opinion.
>>18473031>>18473044Anons, if you're trying to FIGHT THE FIGHT, you're gonna need to know your material better than this. Are you ready to acknowledge that you were mistaken?
>>18472928Schizo cope.>>18472927They did not. It was selected for after they already mixed.
Whiteness comes from CHG but nobody wants to admit it. Kadyrov is the OG CHG.
>>18473746CHG is a mix of iranian brownz and palaeolithic anatolians.
>>18473878Means nothing or less. You could in five generations of brutal eugenics(eg. embryo selection with no admixture) turn Pygmies into a spacefaring race. CHG split off from Iran_HG around 18000 BC. That's an eternity for selective sweeps affecting pigmentation. It's time to come to terms with the fact that the dark EHG loved yt Kavkaz pussy.
>let me tell you how these people actually looked>t. chud
>>18472980Because white race is a recent concept. Go back and call these tribes "white" they'd skin you alive. Stop projecting your tranny race fantasies into history
WHGs from scandia were white. this is the source of white modern phenotype. not aryans, not farmers - but WHG. That WHG woman from scandia look the same as modern people living there and she lived 12.000 years ago, before yamnaya emerged on the steppe and farmers were in the south of europe, not in central part
>>18474473Correction: Anatolian farmers weren't even in Southern Europe during her lifetime, while she, Princess WHG, was enjoying the sights of Scandinavia landscapes
>>18474465Weird how everyone's ancestry clusters exactly where their "social construct" says it should. Negroids, Caucasoids, Australoids, Mongoloids. Also there being two different Negroids (West and East Africans) doesn't really change anything.
>>18473031>>18473044Anons? ...anons? Are you all right?One of you posted that Scandinavia is 75%-80% blonde INCLUDING immigrants, which would make Scandinavians basically 100% blonde, which is clearly incorrect. It's cool if you reply with a "Haha, yeah, I was mistaken. Pretty foolish, but that's how we learn!" Nobody is judging you, we're all here to help one another!
>>18474473>WHG>Norwayretard
>>18473012They all look Italian
>>18475480im retard or ancestralwhispers.org's owners are retard. idk how much EHG admixture she had and if she was enough ANE enriched to be counted as SHG
>>18475581There was an east-west cline of EHG to WHG in Scandinavia since Norway was settled from northern Russia/Finland while Sweden was settled from Denmark.Norwegian HGs weren't 100% EHG but it was like 60-70%.
>>18473044Not by dumb luck that pale skin was created. People who had paler skin generate far more Vitamin D in low light conditions. The disadvantage being pale skin easily burns in high light conditions and tends to be more sensitive to other irritants. So natural selection killed off people for not getting enough Vitamin D and the pale skin that generated more Vitamin D, tended to stay alive and breed with greater frequency. I've also read an article that claimed blue eyes were desired for the fact that it helped prove paternity. If you and your wife have blue eyes, and the baby has blue eyes; it's probably yours. If your wife illicitly mates with a brown eyed guy on the side, the baby is likely to have brown eyes, in which case it *certainly* isn't yours.
Salkhit were white skinned Denisovan giants with red/blonde hair, they passed these genes on to ANE by mixing with brown euro hunter gatherers, ANE passed these genes on to WHG and indo europeans, most of these blonde WHG Atlanteans were destroyed in younger dry ass disaster, a minority of indo europeans with blonde/red hair bred more than brown indo europeans resulting in modern blonde euros, fin.
