Let's pretend there was a "great apostasy". How did that happen? What caused them to allegedly interpret Scripture wrong? Why make up more complex christology than needed?
>Let's pretend there was a "great apostasy"I don’t think there’s any Mormons on /his/
>>18473468>Why make up more complex christology than needed?how complex does a christology need to be? because I posit that it should be so simple as to be self-evident. as it stnds now, you have to explain the problems in depth before even trying to solve them, instead of not having problems. complex christology is mental gymnastics.
>>18473628>durrr da world seems flat so it's flat>durrr da planets and stars move around us so we must be at the center of the universe>durrrrthat's what you sound like, you fucking retard. the christology of the chalcedonian church is so incredibly logical and straightforward that you'd have to be stupid not to get it.
>>18473633seethe some more.
>>18473637i don't think i felt anger at all, i just think it's funny to call you out like that. you embarrass yourself.
>>18473638>says "you fucking retard">not angry
>>18473640okay raca
>>18473628The fact that "Christology" has to be a term at all is a hilarious indictment of Christianity
>>18473654The fact that "psychology" has to be a term at all is a hilarious indictment of the psyche.
>>18473468>>18473513Every single branch are apostates seen from the view that Israel is the Hebrew-Luwian branch of Osirianism, because none of them acknowledge Jesus as Gaia-Zeus, the son of Rex Literatissimus.The Massylii lineage (which mainly adheres to Siwa Amunism) married into the Ptolemaic pharaohnic lineage, which is one step above what Joseph did when marrying into the regional priesthood/northeastern egyptian guard of Potipher. Moses is by some described as adoptive son of the Pharaoh, - which still would make Jesus as the second son of Juba II one step above Moses in Osirian heritage/authority/authenticity, as Jesus was the secret son of the senior male "Heir" of Osirianism, which got adopted into the Judahite/Essene followers of Juba II's second wife,- Glaphyra.Augustine simply filled the north african/Arianist void left by the criminalization of Arianism by the joint Nicene military-theologic coup.Jesus said to render unto Caesar/God separately,- because Gaius Julius III Caesar gave military authority to his nephew Octavian, but religious authority to his adopted son Juba II, whom then went on to marry the daughter of Caesar's ex Cleopatra VII.tldr;Caesar had already separated Church & State, but the Pauline-Nicene retards merged it again into the "Pope".
>>18473726The fact that "biology" has to be a term at all is a hilarious indictment of living organisms.
>>18473776Are you the guy that posts the Star Wars memes on /pol/?
>>18473782Mine being based on primary sources like statues and the people they depict means that they're meta-meme's discussing the contemporaneous politics of neo-romanism, revisionism and militant religiosity and not Star Wars memes per se.Implying of cource that it is my posts you have in mind.
>>18473800lmao you know no one takes your shit seriously, right? it's ridiculous.
>>18473807cry more about it. Ever seen a Nicene-apologist, Edessa-larper (Iza=Jesus) or rabid rabbinic apologist cover the connections between Caesar, Juba II and Judaea?No?>inb4 muh Ehrman, Carrier, Ellis, Holland etc.It's really not that hard to prove that most narratives are rootless headcanons whose existence solely relies on mentally reranged dogmas.
>>18473628That seems like a poor position to take because it can be similarly argued that it's "self evident" no man could walk on water or rise from the dead, (or the moon could be split in half) therefore these miracles must've been made up. If you can accept that God created the universe and everything in it (possibly all in a few days). And you can accept that the "natural" laws of the universe only work they way they do because God said so, and that God is happy to, and frequently does or did break those "natural" laws to cause the various miracles described. Then why do you think that the condition of God himself must also "self evidently" be constrained by those natural laws?
>>18473468>Let's pretend there was a "great apostasy". How did that happen? What caused them to allegedly interpret Scripture wrong? Why make up more complex christology than n-ACK
>>18473874>these miracles must've been made upThe historical evidence for miracles is separate from the theological interpretation of those phenomena. The obvious counter argument to miracles is that they mustve been made up. But that argument is never made in the earliest sources of Christ's opponents. Instead they concede the miracles but attributed them to sorcery or demonic power. But the demonic hypothesis collapses because demonic agency has consistent, identifiable goals and Christ's teachings are in direct opposition to that. His teachings have produced genuine virtue, genuine charity, genuine sanctity in millions of souls across centuries.
>>18473907There’s a verse in the Torah where it says even if a prophet makes accurate predictions and does miracles but encourages you to worship another god then he has to be killed as a false prophet. It specifically says it’s a test from YHWH.
>>18473874nobody thought there was anything about things falling to the ground until some seventeenth century dudes started picking at the issue. most people still cannot even conceive that this is something to wonder about. the nature of christ would be self-evident like that if the whole story wasn't bullshit.
>>18473468>How did that happen?Well... the gnostics were pretty much what you'd call anarchists... back then empires demanded tribute from everyone but the world was not yet fully controlled, so if you didn't want to pay tribute/taxes you'd simply avoid society (same way essenes did)Thing is: gnostics didnt just go away from society, they judged society and talked about it... while plato was talking about purely abstract stuff, they have a worldview that judges things as "good" and "bad". Then you have jesus who comes and adapts that message so that even illiterate slaves can understand it and position themselves in this worldview: do they want to do good or do they want to do bad?So... how did they do it?, they killed everyone. They killed jesus, they killed the apostles, they killed the proto Christians, they killed the gnostics and declared that what they SAID (words) should be completely erased from history. >What caused them to allegedly interpret Scripture wrong?Well, they are the empire... they do not want freethinkers, they want subjects. >Why make up more complex christology than needed?I can tell you didnt go to college... it's part of knowledge, it is passed down by placing the individual within the culture. Only priests has access to scripture and it was available in a language that is different from what the commoners speak... the parallel to this would be all modern legislative documents being written in a language foreign to the population. That way the circle is closed and there's no coming out, you either join them and fuck people or remain ignorant and get fucked. Either way someone's gonna fuck and someone's gonna get fucked.
>>18473907>But the demonic hypothesis collapses because demonic agency has consistent, identifiable goals and Christ's teachings are in direct opposition to that. His teachings have produced genuine virtue, genuine charity, genuine sanctity in millions of souls across centuries.Jesus was a pedophile schizo with a God complex.>Every one of Jesus’ apostles besides Peter was underage (neaniskos is the Greek word used)>When a woman questions why he hangs out with kids he says “don’t scandalize me”>Tells these boys he will make them “fishers of men”>Goes into upper rooms and washes their feet while naked>Tells them to “eat his flesh and drink his haima” (if you think this means “blood” here, see Ezekiel 23:20)>Is arrested in a public park at 4am with a naked boy (see Mark 14:51-52)>When the cops show up he says “why do you come for me with swords and clubs like I’m some kind of leistes”>The word leistes, which gets translated as “thief” is actually “pirate” and was used in contemporary texts (many examples such as Lucian’s Alexander) to refer to sex traffickers>Sex trafficking was a big problem in the Mediterranean and one of the big things the Romans did was crack down on the pedo pirates.>Jesus Christ was in fact crucified between two other leistesThere's a reason Jesus's "Most Beloved Disciple" is always depicted as a beardless boy whereas the rest of his followers had beards. Dude liked em young.
>>18473633The world doesn't seem flat, though. Even if you go up high to a mountaintop there are things beyond the horizon you can't see. Which you can prove yourself by simply travelling in any given direction. This suggests, even without comparing shadows and doing math, that the world is round.There is also nothing about the movements of stars or planets that suggests they are orbiting us. People made that assumption, yes. But the only thing that inlined people towards that assumption was egocentrism, not any observable phenomena.
>>18474678Damn, almost like you're missing the whole fucking point! Guys like Eratosthenes or Copernicus are unique in that they were incredibly intelligent people who intuited there was more than meets the eye. It's not that people believed under pain of death that the earth was flat or that the celestial bodies orbited the earth, but the assumption painted how they viewed the world in other things nevertheless. Like Joshua and the sun stopping in the sky, a verse which brought Galileo grief, or Muhammad saying that Alexander went to the edge of the earth.
