On this day 108 years ago the Virgin Mary appeared in front of three young shepherds in the small town of Fátima in Portugal. This day is commemorated every year by thousands of believers worldwide who come to the town and participate in the yearly procession
A virgin Mary just flew over my house.
>>18474042Catholics are something else man. Christians are annoying in their own but Catholics are something else entirely.
>>18474042Brown hysteria
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>>18474042Judeochristian nass hysteria is quite funny
>>18474042It was a very tying time in Portuguese history. It was the moment when their soldiers first entered combat during WWI. They had only just been posted to the lines on the Western Front in April 1917 AD.
>Stare into the sun until you go blind>"I swear! It was the Virgin Mary!"
it's always bumfuck nowhere populated by whatever passes for rednecks in that area, Fatima, Lourdes, Medjugorje. why don't these specters show up at a council to set matters straight?
>>18475466There have been Marian apparitions in very well populated places. In particular the 1830 AD apparition in Paris, France that lead to the Miraculous Medal and the 1531 AD apparition in Mexico City.More often than not Marian apparitions involve children, such as those at Fátima, Lourdes, Banneux, Beauraing, Champion, Gietrzwałd, Kibeho, La Salette, Laus, and Vailankanni.Of all the nations that Mary apparitions have occurred the number one location is France.But as for Fátima it really isn't nowhere. It's right between Ourém and Batalha. If you know Portuguese history, you know the significance of the location.
>>18475474>But as for Fátima it really isn't nowhere. It's right between Ourém and Batalha.this line is outright hilarious.
>>18474042I think the culture and celebration around Fátima are really neat, whole micro-cosm of things. And iirc, it also inaugurated the 'prophetic Mary' school of apparitions were Mary predicts the future.Also, didn't stop WW2 or the rise of communism even though the pope did as she asked award.>>18475466Lourdes is not Bumfuck nowhere. Also iirc the miracle there happened to a bishop.And Medjugorje is iirc not actually church approved. The eers there seem to be able to call Mary on command.
>>18475474> the 1531 AD apparition in Mexico City.It was actually on the outskirts of Mexico City at the time. Also that apparition is really dubious when examined seriously. Not even because it only had two witnesses, it's because the existence of one of them is subject to academic debate and the other didn't write about it, which you'd think he'd do, being a bishop and all that.Plus, the proper narrative only takes shape a hundred years after the fact.
>>18475476I suppose you would think Agincourt, Saratoga, Austerlitz, Gettysburg, and Tannenberg to also be nowhere.
>>18475485Our Lady of Guadalupe is a special circumstance because of the physical evidence of St. Juan Diego's tilma. Like the Shroud of Turin it has been the subject of much debate. For those who believe it alone suffices. For those who don't believe it will never be enough.As for documentation it's entirely possible that the relevant documents have for one reason or another been lost over the centuries. Even in my own studies of California history a great deal of documentation has been lost. The personal papers of Luis Antonio Argüello, the first Governor of Alta California born in San Francisco, were totally destroyed by his son after his death. The paperwork of Mission San Rafael was lost sometime between secularization in 1833 AD and annexation to the United States in 1848 AD. It does not surprise me that information from a time centuries older has been lost. Particularly in the case of Mexican history the expulsion of the Jesuits in 1764 AD probably destroyed a great deal of documentation.
>>18475492>agincourt>saratoga>mentioned together with some local interests
>>18475638>a battlefield where troops from half of Western Europe were fighting>local interest
>>18475549All who worship Mary worship death in disguise.
>>18475474>1830>These miraculous apparitions stopped showing up right around the time cameras were invented
>>18475492Agincourt is nowhere, even today.
>>18476484Veneration of Our Lady of Guadalupe long predates so called santa muerte by several centuries.>>18476490The apparitions associated with Our Lady of Fátima occurred in 1917 AD. More recent apparitions like Our Lady of Kibeho occurred in 1981 AD.
>>18474042>Mmm I could do a miracle by mass healing some sick people at a hospital or something>Or I could just show a hologram of my underage girlfriend to some mountain hillbillies
>>18476498And there's photos of these apparitions, right?
>>18476507Make every single amputee immediately regrow their limbs? Every cancer victim be instantly restored to full health? Nah. Almost as if ...
>>18476498She's always been death.
>>18476510The photographs from Our Lady of Fátima show the people, not the apparition. Even during the apparition only the children saw Mary, not the crowd. It was only on the last day, October 13, 1917 AD, that the Miracle of the Sun occurred. But the photographs are in black and white so it's hard to distinguish color in the sky. As for Kibeho it's in Rwanda so there's no photographs of the event as far as I know. Belief persists based on prophetic words spoken by the apparition.
>>18476519>>18476507suffering is not necessarily a bad thing
>>18476535God has read your post and is planning some not-necessarily-bad-things to give you in the near future. Rejoice!
>>18476535Shove a knife in your gut right now and post the picture. Shit ina bag for the rest of your life. Suffer. Do it fucking faggot. Show us your faith.
>>18476529>No, see, actually the incredibly credulous and easily influence could see it and anyway the photography technology wasn't good enough to capture the immortal divine queen of the universe Ok buddy. I have 15 dinosaurs in my garden you know.
>>18476546>>18476568I think even secular philosophers will say that suffering makes us stronger and teaches us important lessons. No need to crash out over this relatively mild sentiment.
>>18476652>Secular philosophers who are raised under judeo christian values will say that suffering makes us stronger and teaches us important lessons*ftfy
>>18476667Didn't realize that Greek pagans were raised under judeo christian values
>>18476673Greek pagans laid the foundations for christian take over of Europe, with their retarded platonism and stoicism, so yeah, not exactly judeo christian, but close.also jews were heavily influenced by greek thought at some point as well, so there's that.
