>Goodness gracious, Holmes! How did you figure out God exists?>Why, that's elementary, my dear Watson. I presupposed it!
>>18474092How can you disprove God when literally every single thing is caused by him?>But it's unfalsifiable!Sure, I guess, but I'm discussing the prime mover and the source of all intelligibility. If you meant to talk about a man up in the sky, then no. That's obviously not the case.
>>18474095>How can you disprove God when I literally presuppose him?
>>18474092Atheism is just as much of a presupposition as theism.
>>18474105Presupposition is a tactic used by theists, it is not theism itself, stupid retard.
>>18474098>Look around at the world>Realize that things cause other things to happen>Realize that all of this must come from a single cause>Call that cause God>"You can't do that!"
>OP faggotson, how did you prove there is no God>that’s elementary, I attacked a strawman
>>18474112The essence of theism is presupposition
>>18474112Oh no, buddy. Take responsibility. Quit shifting the blame here.
>>18474113>Realize that all of this must come from a single causeNo one has actually done this in good faith in centuries. It was a natural conclusion to draw back in medieval or ancient times, when everything seemed much simpler and well-ordered, and a polymath could claim to possess all the understanding that existed. Now theists just take it as granted even though they're incapable of reaching such a conclusion, they've never even made the attempt.
itt: presups seething because op said they presuppose the existence of god
>>18474137I vehemently deny this. I am a Christian and I absolutely hate presup. Presup is what someone does when they can point out flaws in someone else's idea but not actually demonstrate their own.
>>18474092Enjoy Hell.
>>18474113>ask what caused God>"He's too cool to need a cause"I'll never understand how people can't see this as the second grade level argument that it is.>>18474448Have you been dead before?
>>18474113>all things must come from a single causeWhy? This is just presupposing, but camoflaged.
Can natural theology prove God gets mad when I masturbate?
Calling the unmoved mover God when you're not talking about the God of Abraham (known bia revelation) is disingenous.
>>18474546>Have you been dead before?No. Those flames just got hotter.
>>18474092God is the presupposer. He sees lights, and presupposes that it is good. The light was there in the beginning with God. The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the argument.
>>18474092Ayo Holmie, wassup my nigga?
>>18474858How do you know that Hell is real if you've never been dead?
>>18474941Ya corny!
>>18474858>>18475305Yeah, it's not like people haven't experienced being dead for a little while at least.One such case recently is Bob Odenkirk. He didn't experience anything special. He's stated to have friends that have.
>>18475329Bob Odenkirk did not die
>>18475346I know.He did have a near death experience.
>>18475329>>18475355Your brain releases DMT when you are dying. Whatever he experienced meant nothing if he didn't actually meet God and was sentenced to Heaven or Hell.
>>18475355>didn't experience anything special>near death experienceWhy are you telling us this?
