Were they redeemed by history?
>>18474804Where are they now that Ireland needs them most?
>>18474804>Ireland is now a corporate tax haven that is importing Jeets as fast as they can be loaded onto the planes Loooooooool
>>18474806Their job was to kill and terrorize white folk, not protect them.
>>18474804They were the ultimate good guys of the history
>>18474806Needs them? Current day Ireland is exactly what they wanted and what they fought for.
>>18474811>good goys Fixed that for you.
they were socialists and naturally they behaved like socialists after the troubles
>>18474804https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGBEp1zTbUw
History will remember how Thatcher humiliated them repeatedly.
>>18474804Is ireland united?
I have fatigue of every single one of these IRA related threads>Hah 20 years after tthe Good Friday agreement the government just wants cheap labour, checkmate IRALike dude that's every fucking government after the cold war & war on terror. What are you expecting? People to give up safety & security to fight a government? People have their creature comforts & never want to dare leave it. Even people with nothing to lose do nothing.
>>18474860>cheap labourmigrants are net loss to the economyalso it renders their 800 year struggle completely pointless if 20 years later ireland's rulers cuck out and stab the irish people in the back
>>18474804No they are papist scum
>>18474890>migrants are net loss to the economyDoesn't matter literally every rich CEO/Shareholder wants to squeeze every penny of profit.>also it renders their 800 year struggle completely pointless if 20 years later ireland's rulers cuck out and stab the irish people in the backOk? Literally every country in Europe has fought for it's independence at one period of time or another. They just happened to get unlucky with a period of globalisation. The exact same shit can be applied to the Baltic states & the USSR. Since they too are undergoing ethnic immigration.
>>18474860>Good Friday agreementThis was a failure of the ira btwBritish rule prevailed, Irish nationalism is dead in the water regarding north ireland
>>18474804>Were they redeemed by history?The campaign the Provisional IRA began in the 1960s was far easier to justify than the one they started in 1919. The entire conflict could have been prevented if not for the eternal autism and incompetence of Ulster Unionism.>>18474808Neither the IRA nor Sinn Féin have ever been in power in the Republic of Ireland.>>18474817No, it isn't.>>18474831The Republican movement massively benefitted from Thatcher being a retard. Thatcher's main impact on the Troubles was driving massive swathes of people into the IRA, or into supporting them. The Hunger Strikers had every single one of their demands implemented and the entire affair greatly damaged Britain's position in NI.>>18474860Sorry anon, lots of people keep making them. There are several absolutely deranged people on this board who spend most of their time screaming and crying about Ireland.>>184748921st Chief of Staff of the Provisional IRA was born in London to Protestant parents.>>18475280The IRA allowed it to happen. They could have rejected it, as they had done prior attempts at political settlements, but in the 1980s when Sinn Féin became the larger partner in the IRA-SF relationship the IRA leadership deferred to SF.It's correct to see the GFA as an example of Irish Republicanism failing, but the IRA didn't really have any input other than agreeing to allow it.>Irish Nationalism dead in the water regarding north IrelandSinn Féin are the largest party in both the Westminster and Local Elections, and Unionism holds only 2 seats more than Nationalism.If you believe Nationalism to be dead in the water you're going against the views of basically every single political analysist (Unionist and otherwise) in NI.
Aside from >>18475562, the full answer as to whether they were "redeemed" is (unsuprisingly) that it's a mixed bag. There was absolutely justification for their campaign; the level of insane blind faith one would have to have in 1970s NI in order to believe a constitutional solution to decades of Unionist retardation is ridiculous. There are those who claim that a "non violent path" was always available, forgetting that they too began as crowds of rioters setting up barricades and forcing the police+loyalist invaders from their area.Where the IRA stumbles in the logevity of the conflict; there were multiple points where some sort of political settlement *could* have been achieved, but they refused to accept it-instead pushing for the somewhat hubristic aim of endless guerrilla war until Britain finally got sick and tired of it. However, it's important to remember that a big reason WHY the IRA was able to do so well is because of successive absolutely fucktarded moves by Britain:>Working with the RUC instead of immediately trying to reform/replace it>Not tackling collusion with Loyalist Paramilitaries (via the MRF/FRU for example) immediately and publicly>Trying to sidestep around multiple instances where British Soldiers gunned down civilians>Mass internment and the other retardedly ham-fisted approachesEvery time Britain tried to strongarm the IRA, the IRA came back stronger.>tl;drBritish Army shouldn't have been involved, nor should the British Government have been the sole authority. Entire thing should have been handled by international peacekeepers until a proper political settlement could be found; we know as a fact that Britain were both incapable and unwilling to tackle the situation because of their own outdated and outmoded views about NI and Anglo-Irish relations.
IRA (1919-1922) > Provisional IRA > INLA > Official IRA > IRA (1922-1969) > Continuity IRA > Real IRA > New IRA > other larpers
>>18475562>Sinn Féin are the largest party in both the Westminster and Local Elections, and Unionism holds only 2 seats more than Nationalism.And Sinn Fein are sitting in a coalition with DUP, how revolutionary does that sound to you?And you are ignoring the Alliance who are neither.
>>18475777>And Sinn Fein are sitting in a coalition with DUPMandatory power sharing is not a coalition, anon. >how revolutionary does that sound to you?Sinn Féin have not been revolutionary since the late 1980s, anon. Find me an Irish Republican who disagrees and I'll show you their Ógra Shinn Féin membership.>And you are ignoring Alliance which are neitherWhy would I mention a neutral party in a discussion about whether or not nationalism is dead or not?The other poster claimed Nationalism is dead in NI, which is a claim so retarded that I wouldn't even expect the TUV to come off with it.
IRA claims:>Northern Ireland is undemocraticcorrect>The division between Catholics and Protestants is delibertely cultivated to turn ordinary people on each othercorrect>The RUC is corrupt and colludes with Loyalist Paramilitariescorrect>The British Army was never there to actually protect anyone, only to protect British influencecorrect>The Republic of Ireland's government are a bunch of sissified fags who are no more a friend to the people of NI than the British Governmentcorrect>The only language that Britain understands is violence, and only escalation/a refusal to surrender will bring them to the negotiating table correct>Loyalist Paramilitaries are conducting their campaigns along sectarian lines, this is retardedcorrect>Britain being moralfags about the IRA being violent is so hypocritcal and retarded that it's not even worth acknowledgingcorrect>mountbatten was a nonce and deserved to diecorrect>devolved governance rather than overly focusing on belfast/dublin is stupid and leads to domination of foreign money+corporationscorrect>marxism is fucking retarded and useless in Ireland, some socialist ideas about empowering ordinary people are fine but eurocommunist larpers are just debate clubs with gunscorrect>getting involved in the drug trade is for undisciplined retards, and any paramilitary that does so is visibly more about power+money than any serious principled political changecorrect>hating protestants for being protestants is fucking stupid, but painting being against the orange order or against unionism as sectarian is fanciful nonsensecorrectseems like their ideas have held up pretty well
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