What was life like for a spanish colonist in the new world?
>>18474956Unlimited brown pussy.
>>18474956Literally heaven on Earth if you are a man, no threats at all because you have guns and anyone who could hurt you is a spear chucking retard. Even then, the indigenous populations adores you like a God, they gift their virgin daughters to you. The sad parts of the empire like the slaves working in mines happens down south in peru and Bolivia, meanwhile you live in a cozy mansion in the main cities like Bogotá and Mexico and shit, cities that try to emulate Spain so you won't even feel too much of a difference other than worse weather. If you don't like your indigenous wife you can always quickly change them for a different virgin because they have no rights and indigenous women are crazy into you and want to be your wife.
>>18474956"mesoanon" was invoked and will make it clear how the Spanish lived off the natives through manipulation and how successful they were only because of the natives.
>>18474956....They wrote plenty of accounts my guy. Literally just ask Claude or Gemini for suggestions that have good translations.
>>18474956It depends what kind of colonist you are talking about but generally kind of sucked. It was brutish, short, and somewhat uncertain. It sucked less than the lives of most Injuns and Slaves, if it's any consolation.
>>18474987It also depends on the time, of course. 1500 is not 1550 is not 1650 is not 1750 is not 1800.
>>18475009>It also depends on the time, of course.And the place for that as wellYou might be a colonist living in Mexico city in the 1720's and live a fairly sedentary urban life. completely different from a colonist living in Patagonia during the same time.
>>18474967>Dies of malaria>Gets poisoned by his slave>Pays taxes through the nose to the Captain General>Suffers from venereal disease>Surrounded by a subjugated nation of subalterns who are kept in check by a highly rigid caste system that can only be escaped through reproduction.Oh yeah, Heaven on Earth!
>>18474956Humid.
>>18475021Yeah being in Valdivia would be extremely terrible.
bad. most died poor
If my ancestors are anything to go by it was becoming an impoverished farmer
>>18474967>If you don't like your indigenous wife you can always quickly change them for a different virgin because they have no rights and indigenous women are crazy into you and want to be your wife.Gooned out dumbass. Racemixing wasn't that common, the Spanish Americas had a strict racial hierarchy called the casta. Of course they're all Catholic so as long as your indigenous/black/whoever wife was Catholic there's no issue on behalf of the church, but you have to live with the fact that your children will actively have fewer rights than you.
>>18474956>What was life like for a spanish colonist in the new world?I. THERE WERE NO COLONIES IN THE HISPANICAL INDIES; THERE WERE PROVINCES, THEREFORE, NO COLONISTS, BUT RESIDENTS.II. MOST EXCONQUERORS WERE GRANTED LAND FOR CULTIVATION, OR FOR RAISING OF LIVESTOCK.
>>18474971I've never said that.I've said that Cortes was successful due to alliances with Tlaxcala, Ixtlilxochitl II's faction, etc and that he, Xicotencatl II, Xicomecoatl etc were manipulating Cortes to their own political ends to at least the same extent Cortes was using them, but I've never claimed that everything or even most things the Spanish accomplished in the Americas was because Indigenous groupsLike, you could argue that in the sense that they enabled Cortes's success and many other Conquistador campaigns and that snowballed into long term Spanish colonialism in the Americas, so without the contributions of allied and subject city-states the Spanish wouldn't have been in the position to do the things they did, but I think that's a at least a little contrived (tho I see people make similar or even more contrived arguments to credit aspects of Greek or Roman or Medieval European history as being responsible for modern Western countries)
>>18474956me and my wife
>>18474967Spanish America was only like that between 1521-1650ish. After that the region was reformed by the church and they took a lot of the conquistador-turned-hacendados' privileges away out of fear they would start their own Christian caliphates and turn against official governments in the viceroyalties.
>>18475026don't forget>gets arrested by the central government for tyrannyor>gets dragged into rebellion by the local conquistador because he doesn't want to get arrested for tyrannythe factionalism of early Spanish rule was intense. Columbus went to jail, Pizarro got couped and assassinated, Balboa got executed.
>>18474956Those who wanted to remain in power in the Americas had to return to Spain to start a family, or they would be replaced in the colonies. Peninsulars (Spaniards born in Spain who ruled the Americas) who amassed wealth in America (land, mines, titles of nobility such as hidalgo) could legally pass on most of these assets to their heirs, whether they were criollos (children of Spaniards born in America), however this caste could not occupy positions within the colonial administration. The Spanish crown preferred to appoint Peninsulares and upon their return to Spain and their family/children in Spain, to the highest positions in the administration, army, and Church (viceroys, governors, etc...). Although the Criollos had more prestige than the Native masses because of their heritage, didn't de facto govern them until after the Independence>>18475146Although the first Mestizos were children of Conquistadores (Peninsulars) with the Amerindian nobility and their Native subjects allied with the Spanish, the vast majority of Mestizos throughout the colonial period in Spanish America were children of Criollos rather than the Peninsulares. Peninsulars preferred to mix with Criollos or to have families returned in Spain itself.
>>18475774Since only a portion of the Amerindian population were nobles (that is, they would have to get married/establish rights and inheritance, instead of having illegitimate children with no inheritance rights because they are just one of many out-of-wedlock children of commoner native women), mestizos had their rights restricted because they like the Criollos tried to rebel against Spain at the beginning of colonization and the Church had already prohibited the polygyny that the conquerors practiced with native women in the beginning of of colonization, the Criollos race-mixing little with natives during the Colonial period compared to to what they did after Independence.>Diego de Almagro II (1520 – September 16, 1542), called El Mozo (the boy), military and governor of Cuzco, was the Mestizo son of Spanish conquistador Diego de Almagro and Ana Martínez, a native Panamanian woman>After Pizarro's death, El Mozo was named governor by the conspirators in 1541 but after failing to be accepted as such he fled to Cuzco with his supporters. He was eventually defeated and captured on September 16, 1542 in the Battle of Chupas by the troops of Cristóbal Vaca de Castro, who had succeeded Pizarro as governor, El Mozo was executed at the city square after a brief trial>In the Royal Decree of 1514, the king authorized the legality of mixed marriages to promote evangelization, but Spaniards only married indigenous women from the elite or nobility, although they continued to have illegitimate children with native women and concubines, since, in many cases, they had their legitimate wives in the Iberian Peninsula. In the early days, illegitimacy and miscegenation became practically equivalent categories>In 1549, Charles I of Spain prohibited mulattoes, mestizos, and any illegitimate children from holding any municipal office, public position, or receiving land grants in the Americas
pretty much heaven on earth if you were a white man
at my work we just hired a new mexican girl who is incredibly cute. her ass is pretty much a perfect peach. how the fuck do these chicks exude so much sex appeal?
>>18475800>For the Spaniards of that time, not having pure Spanish blood was a sign of inferiority. The more Spanish "blood" they possessed, the higher their social status. Even access to higher education required a certificate of "purity of blood.">Historians agree that in colonial Mexico racial categorizations were fluid (documents usually speak of "calidad" instead of "raza"—character or reputation, instead of race), and that passing was common>This "purity of blood" was an instrument of discrimination that guaranteed the right of legitimate children to inherit their parents' property and to obtain certain public or religious offices>The viceroy of Mexico, Luis de Velasco, had voiced similar misgivings about the increase in numbers of Mestizos “because they all turn out with a propensity for delinquency” in a letter to Phillip II of 1554. Velasco’s proposed solution was to send Mestizos to serve in the military back in Spain, as a way of punishing or preemptively suppressing their delinquent tendencies>According to colonial Spanish jurist Juan de Solórzano Pereira, Mestizos were products of sexual activity that was both illicit and punishable under the law (“porque lo más ordinario es que nacen de adulterio, ó de otros ilícitos, y punibles ayuntamientos,” I, 445). Notably, the mixed offspring of Spaniards and Amerindians joined in matrimony were, legally speaking, to be treated as españoles. Illegitimacy, however, rendered Mestizos vile (“infame”) and inherently prone to vices acquired at the Indian mother’s breast. Moreover, they bore the stain of mixed pigmentation: “sobre él cae la mancha de color vario, y otros vicios, que suelen ser como naturales, mamados en la leche.” (I, 445). Solórzano’s sordid description of Mestizaje is quite typical for the period, but for the unusual comment regarding the “stain” of Mestizo pigmentation
>>18475810>be criollo>literally identical to your peninsular brother born in ASSpain >immediately get less rights because you weren’t born in moorberiaYea heaven on earth…
>>18474971Biased larp indeed
>>18475774>>18475800>>18475846There was also this case:>Martín Cortés (Spanish pronunciation: [maɾˈtiŋ koɾˈtes]; c. 1522 – c. 1569) was a Spanish military man and courtier. He was the first-born son of Hernán Cortés and Doña Marina (La Malinche), the conquistador's indigenous interpreter and concubine. He is considered to be one of the first mestizos of New Spain and is known as "El Mestizo" (Spanish pronunciation: [el mesˈtiθo]). He was recognized by his father, and was legitimized in 1529 by a bull of Pope Clement VII (along with his siblings Catalina and Luis)>Don Martín Cortés y Zúñiga, 2nd Marquess of the Valley of Oaxaca (1532 – 13 August 1589, born in Cuernavaca in what is now the state of Morelos, Mexico) was the Criollo son and designated heir of Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés by his second wife, Doña Juana de Zúñiga. Don Martín shared his name with an elder half-brother, Martín Cortés "El Mestizo", whose mother was Doña Marina (La Malinche). He was involved with a conspiracy of encomenderos, was investigated, tried, and spared the death penalty>The Martín Cortez brothers led a movement along with some encomenderos to prevent the abolition of encomiendas that was mandated by the New Laws of 1542 (they were rumored to be about to come into effect soon) as well as greater autonomy for the New Spain. From the encomenderos' point of view, they were the heirs of the conquerors who had given the Crown the rich and vast territory and so they sought to retain what they considered their just rewards for service with their encomienda grants. The Crown was increasingly opposed to the development of a noble group that challenged its power and perquisites, and the New Laws that limited the inheritance of encomiendas was a mechanism to phase out the sources of wealth and power for the conqueror group
>>18476317>In New Spain, on the death of the Viceroy Don Luís de Velasco in 1564, Don Martín was named Captain General by the Mexico City Council, with hints of independence for the viceroyalty. In 1565, the Criollo Encomedores seemed to go beyond merely advocating protection of the conqueror group's interests and offered to raise rebellion and crown Don Martín king of New Spain. According to contemporary observer Juan Suárez de Peralta (a relative of Hernán Cortés' late first wife, Catalina Suárez), Don Martín was not all in with the conspirators but did not discourage them. Don Martín's vacillation caused the plot to be first postponed and then abandoned. On 16 July 1566, the plotters were betrayed and the leaders arrested, including Don Martín, his elder brother of same name, and the rich and influential Alonso de Ávila, nephew of the conquistador of the same name. The Martin Cortez brothers were sentenced to death and beheaded by conspiracy >In Don Martín's trial, he was accused of treason and inciting rebellion against the king. According to the trial questionnaires, of which 388 leaves are found in the Harkness Collection of the Library of Congress (and published in transcription and English translation), he was accused of seeking to overturn the audencia (high court) and its judges be assassinated, and he would become king of New Spain. The questionnaires for the trial were drawn up in September 1566 and another in November. There were powerful witnesses testifying to his participation in the plot, including the brother and son of Luis de Velasco. Testifying for the defense were the Provincial for the Augustinian Order and two Provincials of the Franciscan Order, but there was a range of supporters, including two musicians, a surgeon, a lawyer, a silversmith, the son and wife of an apothecary, and a free black woman named Margarida Pérez
>>18476335>The monarch sent a judge, Alonso de Muñoz, and to deal with the perceived threat to the colony. Muñoz "unleashed a reign of terror. Hundreds of Spanish settlers were arrested and tortured and scores beheaded." Muñoz was recalled to Spain and thrown into prison on arrival of the new viceroy, Don Gastón de Peralta, on 15 November 1567. The Martín Cortés brothers were spared death. The failed encomenderos' conspiracy and aftermath was the end of effective power of the group>On 7 January 1568, Don Martín El Mestizo was subjected to torture and was sentenced to indefinite exile in Spain. His torturer was reproached by King Philip II personally, sent back to Spain, and found dead in his room one day after having met with the king. After being exiled from his father's land and his birthplace, he joined the forces of Don Juan, who was Charles V's son, in the Rebellion of the Alpujarras sometime between 1569 and 1570. In 1574, the king offered condolences to the children of Hernán Cortés, and they were all exonerated of any wrongdoing. He never returned to Mexico. In 1569, he served under John of Austria against the Morisco revolt of the Alpujarras, where he was killed in action later into the year>Don Martín El Criollo, who had been spared beheading, was given leave in April 1567 to travel to Spain to plead their case before the King, with whom he had been friends since before his ascendance to the throne. Before he left New Spain, he had been required to swear allegiance to the crown and to present himself in Spain to the king within 50 days of his arrival. Don Martín was under house arrest briefly, but promising not to return to New Spain, he was released and resumed his profligate life in Madrid, funded by his vast wealth
