You will die and be eaten by maggots!!! THE END. You really think you will be experiencing eternal infinite pleasure in some hedonistic god-realm? Grow up!
>>18475201Okay Ernest Becker, time for bed!
>>18475201The vast majority of spiritual traditions agree that the body and individual soul dies. No one is arguing your literal material body survives after death. What a bizarre strawman.
>>18475201Schopenhauer literally believed in transmigration.
>>18475258After death, nothing whatsoever survives, other than that the matter of your corpse is dissipated.>>18475268He certainly believed in the destruction of the individual personality
>>18475201There is no such thing as a soul because most organisms are composite beings. My body is host to a trillion organisms. Do they all have souls? An inherent problem with religion is simply hubris and the desire to have complex systems explain things that in the modern age have really only become understood to be contrivances or antithetical to theological explanations. I've never met a highly religious person who wasn't absorbed into some melodramatic, narrative-based explanation of the universe.
>>18475201Proofs?
>>18475311Experience begins after the body is assembled in the womb, it will end when is dissipated again at death.
>>18475303Buddhist drivel.
>>18475295>He certainly believed in the destruction of the individual personalityNone of this precludes palingenesis, nor denies the ontological necessity of experience.
>>18475319Proofs?
>>18475322Life is merely a sequence of thoughts and sensations which are dependent on the body. This may be shown by destroying the eyes, hand or parts of the brain, which will cause the loss of sight, sensation or memory. When the body is dissolved in the grave, we will not see, hear, feel, think, remember...
>>18475201>somehow you gain consciousness at certain place and time>no, this will never happen again after you die, my proof is... shut up!
>>18475303Yes chud, each and every bacterium in my gut has a soul. Cope n seethe.
>>18475341I think it has something to do with the brain
>>18475330Proofs? Seriously do you have anything to offer other than baseless claims?
>>18475341It's not "somehow", retard. Your father plowed your mother and ejaculated into her, his sperm fertilized her egg and their combined DNA created you. Eventually your brain became complex enough to achieve consciousness. That's how it happened.Now, all the constituent parts of "you", upon your death, COULD, in theory, be reassembled into another structure capable of consciousness, but the probability of that happening is so infinitesimally small that it's effectively zero.AND, let's not neglect to mention, the very concept of "you" is ephemeral - you are not who you were even a year ago, let alone a decade or more ago, and in another year, or another decade, you won't be who you are now. So would you really be "you"? Are you ever "you"? Would you be "you" if your constituent parts were disassembled and reconstructed?
>>18475352>Eventually your brain became complex enough to achieve consciousnessEventually my house become complex enough that I spontaneously generated inside of it.
>>18475344>>18475352Retarded hylic answers. How does mind arise from non-mind? Why is there a subject rather than just objects?Why am I *this* person and not *that* person?Imagine reducing a phenomenon so unknown, but clearly self-evident to "muh brain" like a good ZOG sheep.
>>18475362I understand this might be a bit confusing for you, but actually, a construction crew built your house out of materials that were crafted and refined from various natural sources. With a blueprint to serve as a guide. Much like how your DNA served as a blueprint to construct your body and brain, using natural materials derived from plant and animal matter, first ingested by your mother and then by yourself. If you find this fascinating, you can go back to 7th grade to learn more, hell maybe you could even make it to 8th grade if you really apply yourself, buddy.
>>18475390>Much like how your DNA served as a blueprintImagine acting like a condescending prick while still getting something so basic wrong lol
>>18475390Like I said, I spontaneously generated inside my house when it became complex enough. Can't you read?
>>18475395>>18475399I'm rooting for you anon, you can pass those 7th grade exams if you study real hard!
>>18475402Genes aren't blueprints, reddit tard.
>>18475402Did you know that cars also generate people when they are complex enough?
>>18475201WHOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>18475350Not him but this time that's an actual proof at least if you agree with his points and believe we actually can test it in reality.Therefore thinking otherwise, that life is not associated with bodyfunctions is irrationnal, because it's baseless. You should only believe in what has been verified at least weakly
>>18475388You don't remember your very early childhood because your mempries have been trashed. You probably don't call your mind the silent actor that moves your legs in very precise ways, that corrects your movements as you learn guitar.What you call your mind is the part of the brain that evaluates its own condition, thoughts, social existence, identity. That part of the brain takes time to develop. That spotlight effect is what you call "being" because the word being is synonymous whith this function of the brain, to evaluate the self. Cut off the other functional parts that make you move react etc and you would still believe you are "you"... Because you is not a being but a function, a ruse of language if you will.
>>18475388whoa, someone is afraid of not living forever
>>18475201By no means will the wicked escape their punishment nor the righteous their reward. For we are ruled by a just God.
>>18475258And just as every human soul is according to number, so also it is with animal souls. And not a single soul which the LORD has created will perish until the great judgment. And every kind of animal soul will accuse the human beings who have fed them badly. “He who acts lawlessly with the soul of an animal acts lawlessly with his own soul. •For a person brings one of the clean animals to make a sacrifice on account of sin, so that he may have healing for his soul. If he brings it to the sacrifice from clean animals and birds and cereals, then there is healing for that person, and he will heal his soul.Everything that has been given to you for food, bind by four legs, so as to perform the healing properly. And there is healing and he will heal his soul. •|And| he who puts to death any kind of animal without bonds, |puts his own soul to death| and acts lawlessly with his own flesh. •|And| he who does any kind of harm whatsoever to any kind of animal in secret, it is an evil custom, and he acts lawlessly with his own soul.
>>18475330You experience dreams and in them you experience life without a body.
that just dont make sense to me, if i can die that means I was never real.
>>18476076I smoke DMT and see machine elves therefore the soul is real DUUUUUUDE
>>18475388People ask foolish questions such as this...and yet who can deny the infalliable connection between that which occurs to the body and that which occurs in the mind? And who can believe that even though a man's eyes have rotted away he can still see?
>>18475350Do you deny that if you cut out your eyes you will go blind? What is "baseless" about this?
>>18476076But everyone who dreams does in fact have a body.
>>18475341"You" don't "gain" consciousness "somehow". Prior to experience, there is no "you" to gain anything.
>>18475798>>18475939>>18476065Cut the sophistry and answer the question: Can mind arise from non-mind?
Don't use Schopenhauer as a mascot for your eliminative materialism p-zombie thread, please.
