>the Christ created the world, not God
Nigga, read. 'Til there, shut the fuck up or you'll look like a dang fool.

>>18475736
>Jesus is not God
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>>18475733
>>18475736
>>18475741
>And on this week's episode of "Shit Goyim Care About" we have two goyim arguing about Rabbi Yeshua ben Yosef and whether or not he created the world. Tune in 8 PM EST/5 PST to see how it unfolds!

>>18475736
>Nigga, read. 'Til there, shut the fuck up or you'll look like a dang fool.
worthless niggerbabble

>>18475733
We should instead thank God for this amazing opportunity.

in a perfect world without suffering and evil, you can't be brave, cannot learn mercy, cannot endure, cannot forgive etc etc you would just be a perpetual 3rd grader blissfully living in perfect ignorance

>>18475762
I think you can have a world with bravery and mercy without there being Harlequin-type ichthyosis.

>>18475762
So what awaits us after death, if heaven/new earth is a place with no suffering, no loss, no crying

>>18475768
That’s a lot of words to express you wanting to fuck men’s anuses.

>>18475733
jesus did not create the world
suffering isn't the highest virtue unless you're some sort of an orthodox - they've got an unhealthy obsession with suffering

>>18475812
>response is a schizopost where he starts talking about gay buttsex out of nowhere
Christfag moment

>>18475770
Much like in the old Eden, God will be teaching the stuff that Adam and Eve were supposed to go through but didn't because they chose to learn it themselves

Although the frameworks won't be quite like here on earth, I think you will still be able to learn "only-possible-on-earth" virtue or two, because I think suffering will still exist, people just can't die being the difference. And by suffering I mean the working out to get muscle kind of suffering or the loving others as much as you love yourself kind of suffering

>>18475733
>>creates a world where suffering is the highest virtue
Debatable. But sometimes a legitimate challenge with its hardships truly builds the strength of character of a man unlike anything else.

>>18475861
What’s the point of building character if not to deal with suffering? This is how retards think, you’re failing to grasp the reason why virtue is considered good. A God who intentionally causes evil to get conscious beings to resist it is their enemy, even if they become “virtuous” and “good” in the process.

>>18475868
how does god cause evil again?

>>18475954
Natural and moral evil are caused by God. Either by commission or omission.

>>18475963
nature is perfectly amoral while everyone is responsible for their actions and their consequences as well as everything they accept and it's consequences

>>18475975
God created the laws of nature.

>>18475977
and they are perfectly fair and balanced

>>18475979
A perfectly good set of laws is one which prevents evil altogether. But evil happens, therefore the laws of nature are not perfectly good. And therefore the one who issued them has willingly chosen to commit evil.

>>18475984
evil doesn't happen evil is committed

>>18475770
It's a reward for those who endured the suffering without turning evil.

>>18475818
The fear of God is the highest virtue. Wisdom only dwells with those who do.

>>18475975
Not true. Calamity only falls upon those who do not fear God. If a rigtheous man is visited by calamity itis only to test them and refine them just like gold is tested in the furnace and refined until dross and impurities are removed from them and they are pure. God is a rigtheoussmith.

>>18475984
Show me an example of a single rigtheous town full of God fearing people who do not practice evil or sin being destroyed by a natural disaster.

>>18476037
god is ontologically perfect, a righteous man has nothing to fear

>>18476026
I don't want the people that suffer and turn evil to perish. Having good people get mind rapped and suffering and falling into madness because of this world is not good. I don't want them to go away, a god that allows that it's evil. I want them to truly heal.

>>18476037
>Calamity only falls upon those who do not fear God
"That ye may be the children of your father that is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to arise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and unjust." - Matthew 5:45
> If a rigtheous man is visited by calamity itis only to test them and refine them just like gold is tested in the furnace and refined until dross and impurities are removed from them and they are pure.
Despite knowing how tiring being virtuous is and rewarding those who try with little breadcrumbs here and there, God would rather kick the shit out of them to make them "better".
>>18476041
Lisboa in 1755. It was a time where christianity was at its peak, and christians were at mass during the earthquake, and many of them got crushed by the very churches they visited. In an ironic twist, non-mass pagan-like attendants "were spared from God's wrath towards the sins of Portugal", as the clergy rationalised, and it was something so devastating to portuguese theology, it was the beginning of laicism in a deeply religious society

>>18476137
I believe in God and think he causes evil, and I'm content with him making mind-broken religious people who are willing to do the right thing even when he kicks the shit out of them. It makes my community safer and better.

>>18476143
>"I'm content with having a blindfold on my eyes"
Ok

>>18476145
I asked God for wisdom and then deconstructed. So, I don't know. I think it's a case-by-case basis. You hear some of the shit these people say, what they'd do if they weren't religious. Maybe this is the best case scenario.

>Get btfo'd
>Starts speaking gibberish and dodging the allegations

>>18476046
A man who does not fear God is not rigtheous. One of the signs of the Messiah in Isaiah is that he will delight in the fear of the Lord.

>>18476082
You are not more compassionate than God, you are just virtue signaling. If you were trapped in a room with a bunch of them you would have a different opinion.

>>18475733
welcome to earth. the ultimate social experiment to see if the creators of the simulation should give a.i. free will. Also... If i get out of this bitch I'm getting some serious revenge on these so called gods.

>>18476137
>That ye may be the children of your father that is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to arise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and unjust."
This does not refute what I said. I never said good never happens to evil people, I sad evil things are reserved for evil people. Evil people enjoy of the sun because God is merciful and long suffering, but God warned us that his patience does not last forever and by no means will he let the wicked go unpunished.

>Despite knowing how tiring being virtuous is and rewarding those who try with little breadcrumbs here and there, God would rather kick the shit out of them to make them "better"

Medicine is bitter. Surgery is painful. God is not for the weak and the coward.

> It was a time where christianity was at its peak, and christians were at mass during the earthquake,

Christianity means nothing. I did not say a town full of christians, I said a town full of God fearing people who do not practice evil or sin. What makes you think God's wrath cannot burn against christians who do not fear him like it used to burn against ancient Israelites?

>>18476266
>Let me tell you why this verse of a book that I hold as the holiest is actually wrong.
God sends good and bad to whoever he pleases. Learn that your feelings don't change his judgement if you want to larp as his slave so much
>I said* evil things are reserved for evil people
And also for good people to "refine" them as well, you said that too.
>but God warned us that his patience does not last forever and by no means will he let the wicked go unpunished.
In case you don't already know, he uses the wicked to "perfect" the good, so, if anything, the wicked shall be spared of his wrath too because at the end of the day, they are acting according to his will. You believe it, after all.
>Medicine is bitter. Surgery is painful.
In this case, he's practising medicine on people that don't need it.
>God is not for the weak and the coward.
It's a religion centered around being obedient and shut up towards life's injustices, believing that evil is good, and good is bad. Truly a religion for the respectable and brave being.
> I said a town full of God fearing people who do not practice evil or sin
Is not enough for God that those christians at Lisboa were trying to be good according to his will? Believing in his plan? Nah, let their very holy places crumble on top of them. Around tens of thousands of devout christians died that day, by the way.
>What makes you think God's wrath cannot burn against christians who do not fear him like it used to burn against ancient Israelites?
His patience is supposed to be great, isn't it? Why he brings such calamity on his followers, while leaving the people not attending mass alone?

>>18476251
You are a demonic tranny archon

>>18476351
Uh, no I don't think so.

>>18476245
wrong god, jews worship the demiurge under the guise of saturn

>>18475762
Stockholm syndrome.

>>18476509
and christians worship platonic ideals under the guise of saturn

>>18476563
christians worship one true god under the aspects of the father, the son and the holy spirit

>>18476601
>jews worship le evil false god
>but christians, who follow a jewish rabbi that worshipped le evil false god, worship the true god in three parts!
cognitive dissonance

>>18476613
>but christians, who follow a jewish rabbi
not today pharisee

>>18476616
Jesus wasn't called a christian priest when he 'lived'

>>18476621
rabi is hebrew for teacher, it's only natural semites called the man who preached to drop their savage totems in lieu of true god that
rabbinic judaism was only created a century after jesus' death

>>18476628
>rabi is hebrew for teacher
You agree with me then
>called the man who preached to drop their savage totems in lieu of true god
This idea is absurd. Jesus himself said that he had come to fulfill the promises given to the jews by Yahweh. You would be called an heretic and burned at the stake in some medieval shithole for saying anti christian things like that.

>>18476636
and yet to jews jesus says
>42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
john 8:42-44

>>18476650
He was sperging out at how those jews were hesitant to worship him, despite God clearly having told them that he would murder them and their families if they followed anyone but him. Still, the Devil here is not Yahweh, but the Devil, and his father he talks about is, obviously, Yahweh, the demiurge, Saturn or whatever you want to name him.

Jesus believed in the god of the jews, and not your gnostic idea of a true divinity

>>18476679
pharisees were the cast of jews lerned in temple judaism. they upheld the law, upkept the tradition, preached their false god
one true god is the truth
jesus callingjewish god the father of lies dismisses him as a false diety. all false (discarded) dieties are but aspects of the accursed demiurge

>>18476687
Sure, whatever you believe in, pal. Just remember that Jesus was supposed to reappear in the same generation that witnessed him, and when he didn't, Paul fabricated a cope for people not to abandon him and his delusions

>>18476710
he did as the Church upholding his teaching

>>18476735
He didn't physically return

>>18476679
The so called demiurge is called Samael.