God exists if you’re being honest about it. Nothing cannot become something, for nothing has no properties and no potential. The universe is not eternal as nearly all modern scientific literature shows. Being cannot come from non being, it can only come from further being. There is a ground of all being that is prior to this universe, which this reality borrows its being from moment by moment. This is what men for millennia have called God.Whether that God became man in Jesus of Nazareth, or whether he sent a line of prophets ending in Muhammad, or if he just sits back and leaves the universe to its own devices, is a matter of personal faith and belief. Indeed, the Hellenes reached this conclusion centuries before the birth of Christ. But I think, logically and metaphysically, you need a first mover and an originator or being, which is eternal and has no further potency, God. Nothing else works. A multiverse theory kicks the can down the road. The true nature of this eternal source of all being is mostly beyond human comprehension.
>>18475905I agree OP. Hail Wotan.
>>18475905Obviously. Westerners deny it because they want to fuck men in their anuses and have abortions that violently rip their children apart and the Asians have it imposed on them by Communist governments to overcome their old superstitions and dominate the moral and cultural values of their society.
>>18475912>Least mentally ill christian on /int/
>>18475925poopdicked retard
>>18475937>immediately proves me rightWhich schizo evangelical branch are you a part of?
>>18475960I'm a Christian, not part of a "branch".
>>18475907Odin actually can't be the being OP is describing since Odin canonically was born and will die
>>18475971Jesus was born and died.
>>18475973Jesus would be to the Son what Grimnir is to Odin: a guise, appearing like a normal limited man in order to be treated as such, exposing the evil of those in power as they torture what they didn't realize was their deity.But just as Odin was beyond the Grimnir guise, so is the Son beyond the Jesus of Nazareth guise
This argument only sounds profound to midwits. Theists make a big deal about the problem of something coming from nothing while they ignore the mountain of problems God's existence brings up. An infinite an omnipotent being breaks every law of nature. How does such a powerful being function without endangering the universe he created? What is the source of his infinite power? What does he do for all of eternity if he isn't interacting with the universe he created? Why would the first thing to exist be the most powerful and complex thing we can imagine? What was he doing with all his infinite time before he decided to create the universe? Why would he decide to create the universe in the first place? Why did he make such a massive universe just to put so much of his focus on one small planet. What did he make the entire rest of the universe inhospitable for life?
Alright! Let's see what those 2000 years of Christians refining their theology and honing their arguments can put up!>nothing has no properties and no potential."Having no properties and no potential" is a property.>The universe is not eternal as nearly all modern scientific literature shows.It doesn't.>Being cannot come from non being, it can only come from further being.OK where did God come from?>There is a ground of all being that is prior to this universe, which this reality borrows its being from moment by moment. This is what men for millennia have called God.No sentience? No will? No magic garden with dirt men, rib women and talking snake?>Whether that God became man in Jesus of Nazareth, or whether he sent a line of prophets ending in Muhammad, or if he just sits back and leaves the universe to its own devices, is a matter of personal faith and belief.And it's our duty to CRUSH, DESTROY and EXTERMINATE all "personal faith and belief" that are authoritarian in nature, such as Christianity and Islam.>Nothing else works.Why? Because it hurts your feefees?>A multiverse theory kicks the can down the road.So where did God come from again? Are you picking up that can or what?>The true nature of this eternal source of all being is mostly beyond human comprehension.In other words, it's just gobbledygook to make you feel good.Verdict: F-, way below average challenge even by christcuck standards.
>>18476034Is this why your countries are being overrun by Muslims and Mexicans? Because you’re so smart?
>>18476042No, it's because I'm white.
>>18475971>t. Takes myths literally
>>18476023>An infinite an omnipotent being breaks every law of natureit doesn't defy logic so its not impossible>How does such a powerful being function without endangering the universe he created? Do you think god is hulk or something? I'm sure he can control itself from apeing out and fucking up this place.Or Some sort of deism I presume.>What is the source of his infinite power?semantics; god is power itself>What does he do for all of eternity if he isn't interacting with the universe he created?It could be the case that god is interacting with us but us as limited humans can compered it.To put it in a quick metaphor, imagine god is just a human and we are just ants walking around on the ground.God places his hand down on the ground as we walk on it; what do you think we might think as ants?That we know that this is a human hand? no we would just register it as another platform to walk on.Also he an also be constantly creating other universes etc>does god exist or is god existence itselfsemantics; god is existence itself not in a pantheistic sense, as if everything were God. Rather, as far as I understand, we mean it in the sense that God is the ground of all existence, and everything contingent relies on god.>What was he doing with all his infinite time before he decided to create the universe?Making other universes or something>Why would he decide to create the universe in the first place?Idk maybe to just to create, as its in gods nature to create>Why did he make such a massive universe just to put so much of his focus on one small planetwhy not>What did he make the entire rest of the universe inhospitable for life?Thats a bold claim there probably more life in the universe
>>18476048>I am so le smart>Country is full of Somalians, Nigerians, Bengalis, Ethiopians, Sri Lankas who shit and stink it up and will make up its majority by 2100Kek. You are so clever, buddy.
>>18476053Whatever you say, Tyrone.
>>18476023>How does such a powerful being function without endangering the universe he created? I don’t see how his existence would endanger the universe he created >What is the source of his infinite power?We can’t understand, read my last sentence>What does he do for all of eternity if he isn't interacting with the universe he created?You’re applying constraints of having “something to do” with a being who is pure act eternal. His existence is the thing to do.>Why would the first thing to exist be the most powerful and complex thing we can imagine?Because the first thing necessarily requires no potentiality to be different. If it did have that, then it would require on something else first to actualise it, which would automatically make it not first. Thus it is infinite in being and causal scope>What was he doing with all his infinite time before he decided to create the universe?See my previously mentioned point.>Why would he decide to create the universe in the first place?To share in the gift of existence/being>Why did he make such a massive universe just to put so much of his focus on one small planet.Gods “focus” is everywhere. There is nothing that can exist outside his gaze since he is the source of all being. He chose this planet to have rational beings, as we exist.>What did he make the entire rest of the universe inhospitable for life?The monotheistic religions leave the question of alien life open. Islam has no issue with it. Christianity only says that if it had fallen rational creatures then it would necessitate a different economy of salvation. God could have created animal and plant life on other worlds, nothing prohibits him from doing so.
>>18475905>for nothing has no properties and no potential.Is that a property of nothing?
>>18476055The negro will inherit the earth. Praise Jesus!
>>18476034Nothing, cannot have any properties, or else it would be a thing, and hence not “no-thing”. Nothing is the complete absence of any being, no substrate or subject and thus no capacity to bear any predictive, positive or negative.
>God exists if you’re being honest about it.If you were honest u would say i dont kno.>Nothing cannot become something, for nothing has no properties and no potential. This argument makes no sense. That is NOT proof that something cannot come from nothing. And it is NOT proof that the initial state of the world was nothing. The same argument would also claim God cannot exist because God cannot come from nothing.>The universe is not eternal as nearly all modern scientific literature shows. Do you only trust scientific literature when it agrees with your dogma? Also, the literature does NOT claim the universe is not eternal. The big bang was not the start, just the earliest we can observe.>There is a ground of all being that is prior to this universeAnd that "ground" is not a jew with a white beard who likes slavery.>This is what men for millennia have called God.No, actually, God is a jewish invisible man who eats foreskin and hates shellfish and speaks Aramaic. Yahweh is not the essential eternal entity which you described earlier.>is a matter of personal faith and belief. So basically, you do not know what god is, and you think that any random ancient myth might be more accurate than science today?>Nothing else works. Yeah, you can easily just say the world already existed and there never was nothing. There is no reason it cannot.>The true nature of this eternal source of all being is mostly beyond human comprehension.If it is, then it is certainly not likened to a man who speaks in human tongue to human beings about human laws, lol.
>>18476073>cannot have any propertiesThat is a property.>is the complete absence of any being, no substrate or subject and thus no capacity to bear any predictive, positive or negative.That is a property too.
>>18476051>it doesn't defy logic so its not impossibleEverything in nature has a limited amount of energy and will eventually die.>Do you think god is hulk or something? I'm sure he can control itself from apeing out and fucking up this place.Or Some sort of deism I presumeWhat is the point of him being this all powerful entity if he's going to always be limited with what he can do with it. You are saying he created the universe just so he can sit back and watch it play out forever. Humans would eventually get bored of this. Why would God be content with this as his existence forever?>semantics; god is power itselfNot a real answer>It could be the case that god is interacting with us but us as limited humans can compered it.Not a real answer. If we go off your ant analogy why would God want to make beings that are so far below him that they are like ants in comparison?>Making other universes or somethingFor what purpose? Everything he creates in those other universes will also eventually die. It's like all of reality is just a show for a really bored God.>why notIt makes no sense if you're intellectually honest about it. >Thats a bold claim there probably more life in the universeI agree, there probably is some other intelligent life far away from us, but God decided to separate us by thousands of light years of space that is dangerous to us.
>>18476092No it isn’t. You’re making a category error by attempting to assign properties to something which by definition has none.
>>18476105>Everything in nature has a limited amount of energy and will eventually die.When you use nature I assume you are not talking about it in an ontological sense because god is outside of space and time so this is a non sequitur>What is the point of him being this all powerful entity if he's going to always be limited with what he can do with it. God be necessity is a "logical" being (when i say logic I am refiring to Aristotelian logic as there are different types of logic), if god was not logical then god could not exist.>You are saying he created the universe just so he can sit back and watch it play out forever. Humans would eventually get bored of this. Why would God be content with this as his existence forever?Thats a false equivalency, to cant expect god to behave and respond in the same way as the average human. Also I was just giving a possible justification.>Why would God be content with this as his existence forever?It not a matter of contentment but rather with his nature, that being an self-sufficient, eternal being.>Not a real answerNot a real response>Not a real answer.Not a real response>If we go off your ant analogy why would God want to make beings that are so far below him that they are like ants in comparison?Let me ask you, would you not be friends with someone for the reason that they have a lower IQ than yourself.It quite frankly wouldn't matter how "high" or "low" god would put us in the "comparison factor", So long that he can express its love.>For what purpose?That god is divinely simplistic and thats gods nature cant change states hance, god can not go form a sate form creation to non creation. hence its in its nature.>Everything he creates in those other universes will also eventually die. It's like all of reality is just a show for a really bored God.Assuming that after we die that its just non exitance or like hell then ig? [1/2]
>>18476166>It's like all of reality is just a show for a really bored God.I think you would like the argument for Aesthetic Deism>It makes no sense if you're intellectually honest about it.This is just an Ad Hominem>but God decided to separate us by thousands of light years of space that is dangerous to us.Sorry I'm confused I don't understand what you are trying to say[2/2]
>>18476166>to cant expectto expect*>Also I was just giving a possible justification.I'm not a Deist btw but I see how you can easily justify it
>>18476109>nothing has no property "by definition"
>>18475905If hell isn't real nothing happens.If hell is real I'm going there satisfied knowing that all feminist cunts are being raped there eternally.And nothing else matters :D I hate them more than Lucifer does I have better reasons than his stupid envy of humans.
Why do Christcucks even take Lucifer seriously? He betrayed someone stronger than him and lost his livelihood.Now he hates all humans because they were made in the image of god? What gay shit is that? If someone wronged me personally I have a much stronger justification than Lucifer to torture that person.
>>18475925>on /int/Atheists arent sending their brightest
>>18476177This is what the word nothing means in the English language Are you asking for a scientific lab tested proof that the word “no-thing”, refers to nothing?
>>18476214>changing the assumed meaning of a word mid-postYou're not cooking, christcuck.
>>18476023>How does such a powerful being function without endangering the universe he created? What is the source of his infinite power?The source of God's power would be the same as the source of his existence: there would be some logical contradiction with his nonexistence. There must be something that the laws of logic themselves make exist in order for anything at all to exist. So if you really wanted to label it, his power would function essentially like an information engine, which converts information to energy, not too terribly dissimilar what this paper here describes: https://www.nature.com/articles/nphys1821>Why would the first thing to exist be the most powerful and complex thing we can imagine?The first thing to exist actually _has_ to be omnipotent! Think what it means to be the first thing to exist. It means nothing else exists, nothing else has ever even happened. If that's true, then you have to be in a world where the only things there are are things that don't need something to happen to be true or to exist. The only things like that are logical necessities. Things like 1+1=2: nothing has to make that true, and nothing has to happen before it can be true, it's true as a result of the laws of logic themselves.Since the laws of logic don't change, things that are true or exist because of the laws of logic don't change either. Nothing can change 1+1 to =-9. So the first thing can't have brought about other things by modifying or transforming anything else. It must have brought them into existence wholecloth from nothing.If you can make something from nothing, then you can make anything. Meaning you're omnipotent
>>18475905>Being cannot come from non beingMaybe the universe did come from non-being? Science has shown many times that our intuitions have been wrong. Humans thought the sun orbited the Earth, but that was wrong. Humans didn't believe in the germ theory of disease, until it was proven right.If we want to understand the truth about the universe, we need to do more science.You can come up with these arguments which appeal to your intuitions, but that doesn't mean you're speaking the truth. We have to study the universe objectively to discover the truth.
>>18475905>thread about God>every reply is about niggers and white people and trannies and gay sex etc etcJust go back to your shithole discords already please.
>>18475907/thread
>>18476845Anon discovers that religion is political
>>18476928>people go to church to talk about gay sex and niggersPlease go back to your shithole. I'm telling you nicely.
>>184768454chan is full of mentally ill shut-ins who can't stop thinking about black people and LGBT people
>>18476934>niggersYou have a lot of hate in your heart for someone claiming to be religious.
>>18476961Says the retard who only pretends to be religious because he got btfo in every political debate and now needs to cling to some semblance of institutional backing like a church. Half the threads about religion are just>I want to be Christian but I also want to kill niggers and faggots
>>18476092>That is a property.No. It is the absence of a property, just like zero Kelvin is the absence of temperature.
>>18476840This is science of the gaps. Science, as a method of understanding the natural world, cannot satisfactorily answer the question of non being becoming all being we can observe. Because it’s a logical impossibility.
>>18475905>Nothing cannot become somethingSo where'd god come from>uhhh he always existed So why can't the universe itself>uhhhhAnd this is where the theistcuck brain collapses.
>>18477033>cannot satisfactorily answer the question of non being becoming all being we can observe. Because it’s a logical impossibilityWhat can, christcuck? See >>18477055
