Why was German rule over occupied Poland so harsh when years prior they tried so hard to court them? They showed more restraint in France, who weren't even that important to German plans.
>>18476403because there wasn't a de gaule to lead a collaborationist poland so germans had to post whoever was available to gg (and they didn't send their best as they were desperately needed in germany) while poles were were very unhappy with being occupied so they kept guerilla war
>>18476403Different strategic outlooks. The german empire wanted to conquer eastern europe and dominate it, maybe slowly germanize it, similar to the way austria dominated the balkans. That seemed viable at the time (it probably wasn't, but that's another matter), while genocide would be considered immoral, unviable and unnecessary. That was basically in line with how imperialist powers at the time thought, how austria and russia operated and similar to how colonial powers operated.Nazi germany on the other hand, i.e. hitler and his top lieutenants, thought that germany needed more land and more people to prevail (basically correct if you think peace and cooperation is not an option), that the slavs of eastern europe would not accept german overlordship any more (correct for poland, probably not for ukraine but they weren't exactly knowledgeable about eastern europeans) and that killing other races was basically a purpose in itself. In this attitude and strategy they would have found precedent in european settler colonialism and manifest destiny, so not entirely out of the blue either.So logically they decided to expand eastwards and kill the population. It's morally outrageous but strategically somewhat sound.
Because they stabbed Germany in the back. You had Photos of Hinmler inspecting Polish soldiers and whatnot as fellow Aryans
>>18476651>how austria and russia operatedWhat the fuck am I reading? You think Austria and Russia genocided Poland and the Balkans?
>>18476655>Because they stabbed Germany in the back.How.> You had Photos of Hinmler inspecting Polish soldiers and whatnot as fellow AryansWhen and where.
>>18476658Tell me you answered after reading only the first line without telling me you answered after reading only the first line.
>>18476669I've read it and re-read it, your perspective on the Austrian and Russian "colonial" models seems entirely wrong. They were treat as they were in a bygone era, as subjects under a multi-cultural crown. Whether you were a Pole or a Hungarian or an Austrian your language didn't matter as long as you beared allegience to the Habsburgs.The only case where "genocide" even entered into the discussion were civillian led pogroms against Jews, and that wasn't some state program against them, that was lynch mobs. Granted the state didn't do anything to stop it.Poles suffered no disrimination under Russia and Austria. The only country that had specific discrimination on linguistic/"national" grounds was Prussia, which makes sense because they were a progenitor to the Nazis.
>>18476703>Whether you were a Pole or a Hungarian or an Austrian your language didn't matter as long as you beared allegience to the Habsburgs.Maybe in theory. In practice..>Poles suffered no disrimination under RussiaLol. Are you a russian or something? Can we get a pole in here to properly school you?Either way, that wasn't really the point of my post. (I frankly don't know for certain how the german empire would have treated eastern europe, and they likely didn't have exact plans either). The point is, nazi germany had a different strategic and ethical outlook compared to the empire. The empire would not have genocided europeans (and when there were genocides in africa, political opinion swayed towards stopping them.)
>>18476703>Poles suffered no disrimination under Russia and Austria.lmao what?austrians organized peasant revolts to murder off polish gentry while russians didn't bother and murdered poles on their own, ran a whole replacement program in place where they'd send poles to far east while they'd bring russians and jews into their houses, discriminated poles in academia in poland and even tried russificating poles to make them culturally asiatic. russian partition was arguably the worst.
>>18476666You hsd a ton of Poland-German propagsnds in 38 and 39, Hitler even visited Kielce>HowThey went with the Anglos
>>18476729>austrians organized peasant revolts to murder off polish gentry while russians didn't bother and murdered poles on their own, ran a whole replacement program in place where they'd send poles to far east while they'd bring russians and jews into their houses, discriminated poles in academia in poland and even tried russificating poles to make them culturally asiatic. russian partition was arguably the worst.sauce?
>>18476733>They went with the AnglosThis wouldn't have been a problem if Germany just didn't invade Poland.
>>18476722I agree with you that the Nazis had a different outlook to the Imperial powers, I'm disagreeing with you about the Imperial powers treating Eastern Europe the same way The Europeans treat Africans.>>18476729Through your whole post I was waiting to reply "what the hell is your source for this nonsense?" And then I read >even tried russificating poles to make them culturally asiatic.and realized there is clearly no point asking where you got this schizophrenic delusion.If you want to keep believing the Russians wanted to "make Poles culturally Asiatic" then I'm not going to stop you. Insane shit.
>>18476736https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabacja_galicyjskahttps://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katorgahttps://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusyfikacja
>>18476729polish crybaby and butthurt belter, your feefees and hatred of any nation that lorded over poland can't rewrite facts, you were treated incredibly well compared to almost anyone else
>>18476745possibly true, i look through the prism of how we threat one another you look through the prism of how you steppeniggers treat one another
>>18476729>austrians organized peasant revolts to murder off polish gentryImagine treating your peasants so poorly they side with foreign invaders.
>>18476741>I'm disagreeing with you about the Imperial powers treating Eastern Europe the same way The Europeans treat Africans.I said similar, and by colonial I didn't mean specifically africa.
>>18476757pooland was and still is such a hilarious clusterfuck
>>18476763bold words coming from an inhabitant of the last rump state of the mongol empirepeasants in poland were treated much better than those in your khanate for example serfdom was abolished 70 years earlier, there's even a word for escapies from russia to rural polish partition
>>18476763Actually, all the catastrophes of its history appear to have given it a remarkable homogenity and cohesion. Unironically the most homogenous large state in europe.
>>18476761Yes, I'm disputing Eastern Europe were "colonies" at all. Colony to mean means the overseas places like Africa, India, Asia, it isn't at all comparable to how the Holy Alliance treat Eastern Europe. Completely different intentions altogether.Actual colonies were primarily aimed at resource extraction with no consideration for the local people whatsoever.The Austrian and Russian empieres tried to integrate and unify the various Eastern European peoples as much as possible, including by treating them with respect.
>>18476757https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprichninahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization
>>18476842based
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Radical_OrganizationHitler was a moron for not using these guys, considering they were anti-Jewish and anti-Soviet. There was plenty of room for Poles in the Axis, just Hitler was too anti-Slav to want them.
>>18476792So basically it was like French Algeria.
>>18476851Wrong, Hitler wanted them on their side but Beck went with the Anglos
>>18476733>Germany pushes demands for your territory>Last country to do so got half its country annexed while the other half was given to ethnic minorities as an independent state>Decide to seek British protectionAfter the fall of Czechoslovakia proper the Poles had zero reason to trust Hitler. At best they might be willing to swap land of equal value, but becoming landlocked and hoping that Germany never asks for more land is profoundly stupid.
>>18477667>Claim someone is your ally>Demand they give up land and become ecobomically and geopolitically dependent on you in perpetuity>Reeeee how dare you seek British protection!!!
Three reasons:>hitler whipped his troops into a destructive frenzy>there more someone resisted that frenzy, the angrier the troops got>german troops had an ideological/political imperative from the higher ups to destroy Poland and treat its population as subhumans That's why so many people warn against radicalisation nowadays
Because NSDAP racial policies were extremely volative depending on the circumstances.Wait until you read about the Hiwis.
>>18477846>Reeeee how dare you seek British protection!!!They never really sought British protection.Britain gave the guarantee on their own accord without consulting the Poles at all. Foreing minister Beck didnt visit Britain until April to discuss the agreement.
>>18477667Again, wrong. Beck never asked for the guarantee or the alliance with Britain. It was all Halifax/Chamberlains accord. The Poles didnt find out until after the British had made it public.Beck rejected negotiations already in late 1938 (formally in january 1939).
>>18476651>maybe slowly germanize itlol, yeah ''maybe''...Hitler literally said that Slavs should become the helots of Germs
>>18477917Read the post you idiot.
>>18477494>Muslim and colonialismNope.
>>18476729>austrians organized peasant revolts to murder off polish gentryNigga whatpeasants rose because they had been treated like animals for centuries, austrian forces fought against them
>>18477845It is genuinely amusing to see how shitlerites try to pretend that Hitler was a trustworthy actor at that point and how it was boo-hoo unfair how he was treated.Jesus fuck, he had acted brash as fuck for years at that point, breaking every treaty and crossing every red line, and nobody still really did anything until Poland. And as if it wasn’t enough that he got away with all that, now it’s unfair that others didn’t 100% trust him despite everything.
>>18476403Hitler viewed Slavs as subhuman
