I'm scared of Hell, but it's impossible for me to believe in either God or the Resurrection.
Read the Bible or at the very least look up how the Bible describes hell. Then compare it to some fire and brimstone preacher's description.I recommend reading The Biography of Satan: The Devil and his Fiery Dominions.
>>18477308The New Testament is believable to me but the Old Testament is problematic and a bit incoherent.>>18477314The Bible does describe hell as fire and brimstone, that's where fire and brimstone comes from is the Bible.>Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers,and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”Lol.
>>18477317>>18477314Honestly, in some ways I'd be ready to force myself to believe from fear alone, but then I'd have to live in fear of most my friends and family having to burn in Hell for an eternity.
>>18477317>according to a seething Jew hopping up and down in impotent fury as his little hat flies off and steam shoots out of his ears because people are doing stuff he doesn't like.
>>18477308Convert to Judaism, we don't believe in it, you'll get to spend eternity with everyone. Not just Jews, but Hitler too.
>>18477344I am convinced that the John of Patmos is not actually named John or Jewish but he was a Greek man larping as a Jew because he wanted to influence the early church while he still had the chance.He was likely the last person to write in the Bible and he took the opportunity to message the seven big Christian assemblies that were starting to form in Asia. He even says he is writing it from Greece but he made up a story that he was exiled to Greece but I feel like it's just fabrication. His writing style is not identical with John the disciple so most Christians consider him a different John. I consider him a Greek man larping as John.In fact, another dead giveaway is when he directly uses the word "Hades" verbatim in the Bible, in Revelation, which is not a term that the Jews were familiar with and it was taken directly from the Greek religion.Lol.
>>18477317>The World wasn't created in 7 days like the Bible professed>Adam and Eve weren't the first two humans as it was a long evolutionary process, and the female sex likely evolved before males>There was no apocalyptic global flood>Exodus never happened and Hebrews weren't slaves in EgyptAnd so on. Only so much can be taken as "allegorical not literal" before we have to accept that they probably didn't even happen. And then there's so many things in the New Testament, which we either have to take as literally happening or not at all happening.
>>18477352The Gospel and Jesus' portrayal in the Gospel is very different from the rest of the Bible and a much higher moral standard than the rest of the Bible, which explains why modern Jews and modern Christians are so different. There was a split. Originally it was the temple Jews who had their religion and then Jesus split the temple Jews into two religions. Most of the original temple Jews became Christians and adopted the New Testament. But a small minority of them became Talmudic Jews and adopted the Talmud instead and they are the Jews we know and love today.The old testament is highly immoral and exaggerated like most ancient writings were. The Gospel is highly moral and not really exaggerated, but rather, a lot of probably true stories and teachings mixed with made up stories to add more credibility to the authority of the text. A lot of it is likely based on a true story. Then the rest of the New Testament starts to gradually become immoral again and more fabricated after the Gospel ends.The Crucifixion in the Gospel almost certainly was a real event, and perhaps the details were exaggerated.But the stuff after the Gospel like the tongues of fire falling from the sky into the mouths of the disciples and then they started speaking random languages they don't know sounds like it's entirely made up and not even based on a true story.Lol.
>>18477349Hades is used in more than just Revelationhttps://biblehub.com/greek/86.htm
>>18477357Pretty much the one thing historians can agree on is that there was a man called Jesus (or something like that), who was crucified around 25-40 AD, and some time after his death, his disciples claimed that he was divine in some form. Rather than resurrection, what most likely happened was that either one or two of them had a very stark religious vision, which lead them to believe that Jesus was divine by nature.
>>18477349I just like how it reads exactly the same way as a chuds manifesto before they impotently burst into a McDonald's with their dads AR15 and are instantly cut down by an off duty cop they hadn't planned to be there.>They'll pay, oh THEY'LL PAY! All the liars and cheats and whores and chads and ethots and camgirls and onlyfans sluts and Samantha Whitwicky you held my hand in 4th grade but the next day I saw you kissing Johnny Jones, why did you do that to me Samantha we could have had a life together
>>18477317>Sola Scriptura method of approaching ChristianityEven just a Catechism, or questioning an LLM about fundamentals of Christianity would clear up the incoherency much better. A cold reading of an English translation gives no cultural or historical context to make sense of what you're reading.
>>18477387The Bible is supposed to be a life manual written by the Creator of life. So if the manual is not self-sufficient isn't that a flaw? Lol.
>>18477387There is actually a case to be made that the Bible does evoke eternal torment, such as Heikki Räisänen's Jesus and Hell (Räisänen was an atheist / cultural Christian, by the way, so he's not writing it as a gotcha against annihilationists etc.).
>>18477393>The Bible is supposed to be a life manual written by the Creator of lifeWhere did this idea come from? The Bible being the inspired Word of God isn't the same thing as being an instruction manual to be followed. Christianity existed long before "The Bible" as it's known today existed, being a collection of 73 books that were understood to be the divinely inspired ones.
>>18477397Now I'm even more scared than before, honestly.
>>18477308>Don't believe the Bible the it talks about God and the resurrection.>Do believe it when it talks about the magical torture dimension.???Is there some reason you consider the Bible a reliable source about the latter but not the former?
>>18477696Anxiety.
>>18477705All you have to understand that anxiety and paranoia are vapors that can enter any mental vessel that isn't air tight, hell-based anxiety could creep into and take over any facet of your life and mind and there's nothing to do but to give up anxiety. It's not hell you're worried about rather than worry itself running rampant, and hell is the best unfalsifiable mask for anxiety to inhabit. Try an experiment: for one 24 hour period, assume it is impossible for you to go to hell when you die. Then see how you change after that. You could also try approaching God and praying about the matter, just ask sincerely. But I think anxiety as a premise is the wrong avenue to approach God in, once I saw that I cast off anxiety in exchange for love of God. Best wishes.
>>18477705Unfortunately, this is true. I fear Hell, Christian or otherwise. Literally the worst fate.
>>18477308Read the Gospels and pray for faith.
Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. He died on the cross as a sinless sacrifice for all the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then rose again from the dead. One day you will stand before Him, and He will judge you. You can either repent to God by receiving Him and be saved, or reject Him and go to hell for your sins.Rom. 3:23-25: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”1 John 5:7: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9, given by God, Romans 10:8 & 17) only in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place (1 Cor. 15:3-4) as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished, so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! (Rom. 8:38-39, Romans 4:5)The gift of salvation can't be earned, it's a gift: Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him, not your own works. He atoned for your sins on the cross.www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntcProof that the Bible is the word of God:https://truthischrist.com/seven/fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdf
>>18477308Great, enjoy Hell.>>18477314>>18477348>>18477344>>18477387Enjoy Hell.
>>18477348As a Jew, have you ever heard about Abraham's bosom?
>>18478903Matthew 25 reads:‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or as a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not [i]take care of You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it for one of the least of these, you did not do it for Me, either.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”so you have a group of believers, who call Christ "Lord", so it's reasonable to accept they had faith. yet they were not saved for sinning - lack of charity with others, or "works" as you would call itthis seems to debunk salvation by faith alone
>>18479090Salvation is not the same in every time period. In the tribulation salvation is not by grace alone, and that is the time period Jesus is talking about here in Matthew 25. Look at Matthew 24:3 "what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?") matthew 25 is continuing from that, Jesus doesn't stop speaking just because the chapter changed. The gospel of the grace of God is clearly explained in 1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”In Acts 15 (7-11), James, Peter, all the apostles, Paul and Barnabas proclaiming salvation is only by grace trough faith, and that there's no salvation by law, or works involved to keep your salvation. In acts there is transition of going from Jews to gentiles. In the New Testament there are many gospels, and each is different from the others. Paul didn't preach the same gospel of the kingdom of heaven Jesus and His 12 apostles preached to the Jews (Matt. 10:5-7), the gospel of the grace of God was revealed to him specifically by Jesus Christ afterwards (Galatians 1:10-12)So why do Christians focus on the doctrine in the Pauline epistles, instead of only reading what Jesus taught the Jews in Israel during His earthly ministry? The doctrine the Pauline epistles take priority over OT, early acts or tribulation doctrine for the Jews, because Paul is the apostle God chose to preach for the Gentiles:Romans 15:16“That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.” 1 Timothy 1:11, Galatians 1:10-12Paul didn't preach the same gospel (of The Kingdom) because it was revealed to him specifically by Jesus Christ after the Jews as a nation rejected Him as their messiah. Romans 11:25
>>18479090In the New Testament, each gospel is different from the others. You have Christ coming and preaching "the gospel of the kingdom" in Matthew 4:23. It is a Gospel preached exclusively to the Jews (Matt. 10:5-7), and it is confirmed by signs (Matt. 4:23-24, 10:8). It is the good news that the King of the Jews was present and offering the kingdom to the nation of Israel, conditioned upon their repentance and acceptance of the King.When Christ died, He went and preached "the gospel... to them that are dead" (1 Pet. 4:6). During Christ's time in the tomb, He went down to Paradise and proclaimed the "good news" to the Old Testament saints that He had taken away their sins, which the Old Testament sacrifices could not, and had made a way for them to live in Heaven with God.In Acts 20:24, Paul says he testified to "the gospel of the grace of God." This is the Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. It is the good news that a sinner, by the free grace of God (Eph. 2:8-9), can be saved from sin and Hell by receiving the person of the Gospel, Jesus Christ (vs. 1, cf. John 1:12), and putting his complete trust for salvation in His atoning work on the cross and His resurrection from the dead (vss. 3-4, cf. Rom. 10:9-10).It is also called "the gospel of God" (Rom. 1:1), "the gospel of his Son" (Rom. 1:9), "the gospel of Christ" etc etc. (Rom. 1:16), (2 Cor. 2:12), (Eph. 1:13), (Eph. 6:15), (2 Thess. 1:8), (2 Thess. 2:14). This is the gospel of which Paul says, "If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that we have received, let him be accursed" (Gal. 1:9).In Romans 2:16, Paul uses the term "gospel" in a broader sense when he calls it "my gospel." Not only is it 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (2 Tim. 2:8) which is to unsaved people, it is given to Paul of the Body of Christ (Gal. 1:11-17). It refers to the entire body of doctrine committed to the Church. Paul uses it when he calls it "the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust" (1 Tim. 1:10-11).
>>18477308Just believe in Buddhist Hell. Allegedly, you can leave anytime.
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>>18478903>You can either repent to God by receiving Him and be saved, or reject Him and go to hell for your sins.I'll just repent when I stand before him, because then I'll accept him as God.
>>18478989You're not gonna go to Heaven based on your attitude, you know?
>>18477308I think you should know that in my religion you are eternally cucked, raped and flayed for following christianity, just sayingAlso my religion predicted the discovery of the big bang, the golgi apparatus, quantum entanglement, maxwell's equations, AI, and the internet among others, while christianity failed to predict any of that
>>18477308Eternal hell doesn't existEverything is temporary and constantly changing
>>18479572You can't anymore at that point. Either accept Him or reject Him. You don't know how much time you have. You are suffering right now to show you that that sin is real and God has condemned the world. Do you accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour? Yes or no?
>>18479572 Heb. 9:27, “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”There is no place in Scripture that tells us about anyone receiving a second opportunity to receive Christ after he dies. Unfortunately, this is how it will be for countless people. When they die, they face judgment. This is why the Bible says that now is the day of salvation (2 Cor. 6:2).Jesus Christ paid for your sins on the cross to save you as a gift. Confess the Lord Jesus in prayer: "Dear God, I repent as a sinner who wants to be saved from hell. I believe Jesus is God who died, was buried and resurrected so that his blood can wash away my sins. I only trust in that alone to save me, not my good works. I pray in the holy name of Jesus, Amen."
>>18479576>You're not gonna go to Heaven based on your attitude, you know?My attitude is completely irrelevant. I'm going to live forever while you burn and burn and burn. :)
>>18480075According to this, which side will you be on? Matthew 25:31-40“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
>>18480134Notice how Jesus did not separate people by who believes and who does not believe, but he separated them by who did good works and who did not. Those who did good works are saved and those who did not help anyone will be thrown in hell.
>>18480134>According to this, which side will you be on?Those on his right. I'll be counted righteous since I wear the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. So my good works will all be counted, and none of my bad works will be. Trash like you will be on the left. None of your good works will be counted, and every sin you've committed will be piled onto you and used to determine the magnitude of your eternal torment. I can't wait to see the look on your face! :D>>18480137>shitskin has terrible reading comprehensionTypical. Tick tock.
>>18480680>Takes scripture as literal and not meteoricallyannihilationism is the truth under the Christian doctrine btw
>>18480686Keep stoking those flames, termite. This is great!
