And have passed high school biology physics and chemistry, dot you think actually deep down in their hearts believe? It always seemed to me that it’s less than 5% and even that might be too generous. Society is structured in a way that incentivizes outward expression of faith for a variety of reasons: clout, acceptance, economic opportunity (grifting) etc. Am I just being cynical? In b4 enjoy hell or whatever
>high schoolThat's a pretty low bar anon. These topics only describe the mechanics of physical reality, and can't inform inquiries into non-physical reality (e.g. do idea exist independent of my conceptualization of them, the three transcendentals of Truth, Goodness and Beauty, etc.)What do you think of Aquinas's Five Ways? E.g.>Everything that exists has a cause>This logically necessitates exactly one cause which, itself, is UN-caused
>>18477383>do ideas exist outside outside of conceptualization I don’t think ideas exist outside of minds capable of thinking linguistically >unmoved mover/uncaused causeImplying that the existence of god is necessary as the cause of everything that follows violates occams razor as one can easily just say that if god, who is uncaused and eternal, is necessary for the universe to exist, then one can just skip the extra step and say that the universe is uncaused and eternal. Anyway this thread wasn’t meant to be about arguing the existence of god, there are plenty of those already. I specifically wanted to hear some people’s opinions about the testimony of the expressed beliefs of others
>>18477365Being educated and even intelligent doesn't stop someone from believing in weird shit. You can meet genius engineers who believe in aliens and buy snake oil tonics.
>>18477395Aliens existing isn’t too far fetched desu. Although aliens visiting earth and taking an interest in human affairs another thing altogether
>>18477365Most theists in developed nations have graduated high school.
>>18477394In my experience most people don't believe, even if they say or even think they do. My guess as to why is, there isn't really a reason to believe if you feel like you're self-sufficient, and aren't interested in thinking too hard about the bigger picture of life.
>>18477410I kind of think that unless your life is essentially perfect or complete shit beyond any conceivable nightmare that there is no need for true deeply held belief with conviction
>>18477383>>Everything that exists has a causeYes.>>This logically necessitates exactly one cause which, itself, is UN-causedThat's complete nonsense. Everything having a cause logically necessitates that there is nothing that is uncaused. You can't just insert the opposite and act like it somehow makes any sense.
>>18477365Yes, but it's not easy, most people hate me for my belief. There's no clout or acceptance for us. We're more despised than Ba'hai.
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>>18477395this desu. göbbels was likely quite intelligent (mind addled by his pain-medicine aside), but yet decided that throwing in his lot with "billions must die" was a good idea.
>>18477365>How many of you are golem that f*cking love science
>>18477427Exactly. It's an infinite regress unless you assume an uncaused thing. We know the universe exists so if there is an uncaused thing it's more likely to be the thing that exists
>>18477512why is that brazilian dressed like an african savage?
