Why exactly are hoteps and black nationalists so insecure about Tropical Africa's hunter gatherer civilization? What's wrong with living in tribes? It's not like most agrarians in the old world were anything special, most were just some peasants that had a grueling daily life and a grind that sucked. African hunter gatherers were probably a lot healthier and happier than 1600s Britbong peasants. There's more to civilization than the few kings in the castle and aristocratic class with leisure time.I mean this genuinely. Let's just say it's true WE WUZ KANGS, so what? Most of your ancestors would instead be illiterate agrarian chuds getting paypigged by a nobility, they'd be a few inches shorter, be filled with cavities and be unnoticeably unhealthier. Snowteps don't really have this insecurity. They recognize that the vikings were tribal raiders and think that's based. Why can't africans be proud of their bantu tribal ways?
>>18477704Blacks aren't actually descended from recent hunter-gatherers like Khoisan and pygmies though. Most are descended from some kind of yam farmer, or the slave of a yam farmer, living under some petty despot.
>>18477704Because they're insecure at the lack of achievements of their ancestors you retard. When swedes pretend to be descended from vikangz they don't just mention the raiding they mention the runic script and america settlement.
>>18477712>>18477712From what I understand the agrarianism in west africa was a lot looser and mixed with hunting though? I read that growing yams was basically women's work and the men still hunted. They were early iron age slave states.
>>18477718Most of the black nationalists you're talking about are from west africa
>>18477718That's generally true, I'm justing saying they weren't like Bushmen or something and didn't like in some kind of primitive freedom.
>>18477704Two reasons:1. Racists have always given them shit for it. "Blacks were building mud huts while Europe was building cathedrals" is the go-to stormnigger talking point.2. Black Nationalism is pretty much built on the idea all of Black people's problems are the result of the huwhyte man keeping them down, "we wuz kangz" fits into that perfectlyThe real question is, why do Hoteps insist on appropriating the legacies of places like Egypt and Judea when their actual ancestors DID build civilizations that they can hearken to instead? It's a shame, because I actually think Blacks should consider Songhai and Mali a part of their history and take pride in it.
>>18477792Blacks still build mudhuts
>>18477704> civilizationThese people are literally just a tribe, not a civilization. Actual hunter-gatherer civilizations have existed, but they are extremely rare due to being reliant on absurd abundance.> The real question is, why do Hoteps insist on appropriating the legacies of places like Egypt and Judea when their actual ancestors DID build civilizations that they can hearken to instead?I really, really hate to say it, but this is probably because it would require them to study.
>>18477704Because stormniggers constantly give them shit for being "uncivilized". Honestly I don't even get the point the average African Tribesman would be a 1000 times more happier and more healthy than a Euro peasant during the Industrial Revolution. Every single system that Europeans have built is going to shit in the modern day. The world should have just left Africa enjoy their own forms of society after decolonization. I mean..just look at what a shithole Africa currently is when they follow foreign systems of governance. It clearly doesn't work for them, they should unironically return to tradition and embrace it.
>>18477704>African hunter gatherers were probably a lot healthier and happier than 1600s Britbong peasantsIn the same way a dog is happier than the average human.The dumber you are, the most oblivious you are to poor quality of life and the less depressed you are.
>>18477792>The real question is, why do Hoteps insist on appropriating the legacies of places like Egypt and Judea when their actual ancestors DID build civilizations that they can hearken to instead? It's a shame, because I actually think Blacks should consider Songhai and Mali a part of their history and take pride in it.Because Ancient Egypt was actually an impressive civilization, while Mali and Songhai were not.
>>18477704Their entire culture, language, religion, and way of life was stripped from them and they were forced to adopt whatever name massah gave them. Their whole race was subjugated and regarded as property, all the way until other whites rescued them in a war. Their history is deeply humiliating, and the way they act and what they believe is all a massive cope from that. That's why you get shit like the Black Hebrew Israelites, Nation of Islam, Egyptian Kangz, etc. They're just trying to grasp at anything to give themselves a false sense of pride. Whenever any of them actually go to Africa, they quickly realize that they are way closer to White Americans than actual Africans and most Africans don't even like them and consider them annoying, dumb, spoiled children. They are lost as a race and it's pretty sad.So what are they even to do? Well, the only real, logic cope they can do is to try their best to integrate into White society, and that's what all the intelligent, successful ones do. Because they don't fit in with actual Africans and black culture in the USA is victim complex bullshit that keeps them in the hood and retarded.
>>18477811So did whites. Histotically mud was a common building material
>>18478008Adult !Kung bushmen of the Kalahari desert spend on average 7.5 hours a day in food-related activities, leasurely gathering mongongo nuts (56% of their daily calories), hunting meat (36%), or collecting other plants (8%). They sleep 10.5 hours a night, and their other 6 waking hours are spent on light work on camp maintenance and socializing, including visiting other camps, and their favorite pastime of dancing. Children and the elderly generally only collect plants if they're growing close to the camp, otherwise being entire suppoeted by their community, free to socialize and play all day.The pulp of the mongongo nut's fruit is a delicacy and eaten shortly after picking. The nuts can be stored for months for later use as food, or skin-ointment if their oil is extracted.>A diet based on mongongo nuts is in fact more reliable than one based on cultivated foods, and it is not surprising, therefore, that when a Bushman was asked why he hadn't taken to agriculture he replied: "Why should we plant, when there are so many mongongo nuts in the world?"
>>18478110sounds like a better way of living than rotting away in a 9 to 5 with a shitty family.
>>18478110>>18478135It sounds good from that idealized outsider view, as always.They have their own specific problems like poor access to medicine, unescapable power dynamics and peer pressure, low diversity of entertainment...etcOnly their utter lack of education and knowledge of the outside world makes their lifestyle bearable to them.
>>18478158> Only their utter lack of education and knowledge of the outside world makes their lifestyle bearable to them.Hunter-gatherers are genetically different from farmers and pastoralists; they're designed to thrive with such a lifestyle. Besides, if what you suggest were actually true, then they wouldn't still be hunter-gatherers due to their contact with Bantus and the Khoekhoe. Hunter-gatherers are known to actively resist alternative ways of life.
>>18478158They have access to modern non-emergency medicine and Starlink internet just like their more settled neighbors if they want. How much access to education or entertainment do you think the average farmer in history has had, and how easily would an abused member who's never been outside her village escape from her community?
Are they? Hoteps, maybe, but many Black nationalists actually do a lot of research into Subsaharan African cultures.
>>18477704>hoteps and black nationalistsThey aren't the same thing >What's wrong with living in tribes?European colonial term that doesn't reflect the complexities of many African societies >>18477811The same can be said about Asians and Europeans
>>18478010>Because Ancient Egypt was actually an impressive civilization, while Mali and Songhai were not.Anon still seething over the metallurgy thread.
>>18478010Reminder that this thing is precisely the Songhai version of pyramidsA "monumental" tomb where they buried their more powerful emperorThis is the black race's pyramid
>>18478663>This is the black race's pyramidWhy are you pushing this narrative exactly?
>>18477811>building with local materials is le bad o algoI don't get this mentality people keep spitting out.
>>18478705Everything is "local material", clownIt's just that it's easier to use raw mud than to dig quarries, shape the stones and process it into something more complex.
>>18478703Y'all wuzunt pharaohs, but y'all did do be emperorz of songaiz n sheeit
>>18478725It'a the obssession over the idea of a "mudhut" or calling anything that uses mud or earth as a mudhut.
>>18477704I remember seeing a video on Instagram of one of these guys tearing apart a tree while going oo-oo ah-ah. T'was quite funny then, though dude was likely cooning now that I think about it.
>>18478703Anon is still seething over the fact that Africans practiced iron metallurgy before Europeans, Kongo outperforming the Netherlands in textile production during the 17th century and Portugal's defeat at the battle of Kitombo.
>>18478744> before EuropeansAs far as I'm aware, the evidence for that is quite weak.
>>18478734Not everything that uses mud is a mudhutShibam for exemple is mud skyscrapersBut given that what Subsaharans produced with mud was huts, then yeah the result is called mudhuts
>>18478782>the evidence for that is quite weakSource: trust me bro
>>18478820It is, though. I believe Niger-Congoids independantly developed iron mettalurgy, but I don't see any reason to place its invention prior to it's introduction to North Africa, which is contemporary with it's introduction to Europe if I'm not mistaken.
>>18478782Then why you did run away from the debate in the other thread?
>>18478822>I believeThing is that what you believes is irrelevant, archeological evidence speak for itself. I'm that ChatGPT was unable to help you win the debate
>>18478805>Hut is when vaults and arches Also funny how you had to resort to a painting instead of using pics of historical buildings in Yemen the tallest being 30 meters high at best.
>>18478824Not sure what thread you're talking about, though it's probably worth mentioning that I was the one who made picrel and acted as the primary defender of blacks within it. Given the archaic nature of the iron tools at Nok, I don't support many of the older dates, though I do recognize that the exact rarity and age of the tools could be distorted by various factors. As far as I'm aware, many of the older dates can also just be explained by contamination, so I don't believe significantly older than 800 BC, which, if the actual date of invention, would make North and West Africa + Europe contemporary with each other.(The furnaces at Nok are between 800 and 400 BC, and linguistic evidence points towards an origin for the technology a bit north of Nok). "A Chronology of the Central Nigerian Nok Culture – 1500 BC to the Beginning of the Common Era"."Linguistic Evidence for the Introduction of Ironworking in Bantu-Speaking Africa"
>>18478835>vaults and archesDont see any such think on Askia's tomb>Also funny how you had to resort to a painting instead of using pics of historical buildings in Yemen the tallest being 30 meters high at best.Cope
>>18478855When an anon caught you lying about your source you misteriously went offline >>18470232Oldest evidence of iron metallurgy in Africa isn't Nok culture but you are probably lying about that too.
>>18478873> Dont see any such think on Askia's tomb You are retarded.>>18478835Stop feeding the /pol/tards.
even if w africans developed iron at a similar time as nafris and euros they still did it independently, is that something to scoff at?
>>18478877Anon, that was...literally me.> Oldest evidence of iron metallurgy in Africa isn't Nok culture but you are probably lying about that too.I literally just addressed that, even mentioning that linguistic evidence points towards Nok not being it's origin!
>>18478873>Dont see any such think on Askia's tombYou said Subsaharans which includes Hausas.
>>18478873No need to cope the tallest historical buildings are 30 meters at best, they are cool but definitely not New York.
>>18478855The oldest evidence of iron working in Nigeria is Lejja which dates back to 2631 – 2458 BCE, evidence in Cameroon sites also appears to be older than 2000 BCE
>>18478916I already addressed this, but it's worth mentioning that many of those old dates cut into the saharan chalcolithic, in which blacks were participants alongside Eurasians. If they could already work iron, then why did they even bother with copper? Furthermore, how come copper and iron seem to never appear together?
>>18478927> how come copper and iron seem to never appear together?*at these sites
>>18478927>If they could already work iron, then why did they even bother with copper?Stupid question, copper was the most precious metal for much of West African history.>If they could already work iron, then why did they even bother with copper?It has probably something to with copper being extremely rare in the region
