Imagine if we got some Greek cult to become the religion of the west. The Theogony, Iliad, and Odyssey would be like the Old Testament, and maybe Plato's dialogues would be like the New Testament?
>>18478860it did, ironically. Greeks believed themselves to be the descendants of the Gods, the collective embodiment of the spirit of their godly patriarch. Each people, having their own patriarch, formed the body of their god.Christianity proposed the radical idea that all Spirit is of one root, and that all such people of spirit should form one body to have their eternal life secured, and so they would then have dominion in God's name over all of creation.Oddly, that understanding seems to have gotten mostly lost in the last five or six centuries.
>>18478860The problem with any effort to revive Greek paganism is that these surviving documents are basically just religiously-themed fanfiction, not the actual religious canon itself. Ancient pagan religions like this were heavily ritual-centric, and that ritual practiced passed through oral tradition within an initiatory priesthood. All of that's been lost, so we don't really know how you're supposed to conduct these rituals.It would be like trying to recreate Christianity out of Paradise Lost and the Divine Comedy. You'd get the names right and certain aspects of the theology more generally, but the actual practice of a church service would have to be made up from scratch, and likely would bear no resemblance to the original religion.
>>18478895do you know we still have records describing the ritual and how the religion was practiced, right ?also the idea that it should be practiced just like it was 2k years ago is retarded in it's own right
>>18478871>the collective embodiment of the spirit of their godly patriarchno, this believe didn't appeared in any form among greeks and would be akin to hubris to them if not condemn as atheism
>>18478971well there are the Heracleidae, and you will obviously never be an Athenian... its not as if that form of belief was limited to Greeks either, Odin's folk represented their all-father in the same way.these beliefs are common, ubiquitous even, among those who are of God, called generally the children of God.
>>18478860illiad is a story about learning to forgive and to let go, it's already parallel to the teachings of jesus christ
>>18478860I can understand the disgust at Ellen Page being cast in this film, but /tv/ constantly bitches about the mythological beasts and armors as if this wasn't just the ancient version of capeshit.
>>18478962Also, we literally have the Orphic and Homeric hymns preserved. Anyone who says “hurr durr our knowledge of Greco-Roman paganism is fragmentary” is a liar
>>18478987The Heracleidae were royalty and it was more of an elitist thing, not a racial one
>>18479017Why? He's playing Elphinor. You didn't believe the slop AI ragebait designed to make you angry, did you? You're not that easily influenced?
>>18479018No, you're the liar.You have no idea what priestly initiations really entailed.The Eleusinian mysteries aren't the only example of this problem.
>>18479021>HeOnly in clownworld can a faggot who believes men can become women and vice versa call you "easily influenced".
>>18479017Gayreeks probably would've loved Ellen Page until they found out it was a chickm
>>18478987the Heracleidae didn't viewed themselves as a "collective embodiment" of any god, that type of theological view did not exited in ancient greece nor in any other pre-christian peoplethey view the gods as their own beings separate from themselves >Odin's folk represented their all-father in the same way.no they didn't viewed themselves as representing Odin
>>18479026Those initiations only were relevant for specific mystery cults, not the popular religion as a whole or the philosophical schools and we also have records of how priests got their ranks and what they did and for what they were requiredThey weren't needed to practice the religion, or to do offerings and the the religions was not the mystery cults, those were just optional offshoots
>>18479020>>18479034Your denial is understandable, but foolishly based in ignorance. The children of God, or the gods, will not be destroyed, and if they are, the world is destroyed with them, replaced with a perpetual and unending hell.
>>18479026We know a lot about what they had to do to be initiated at Eleusis. They went on a long walk to the sanctuary, they sacrificed a pig, they drank a load of kykeon (either a sort of barley water or wine mixed with cheese), they danced, they looked at some some secret artifacts and spoke some secret words. Go through it once and you're an initiate, do it a second time leading some first timers and you become a full priest. And if we willing to trust Christian authors from the late Roman period we mostly know what those secret words and artifacts are.
>>18479172Nothing that you post even suggest that the greek, norse or celts seem themselves as the a "collective embodiment" of any god or that anyone aside from the nobility though themselves as having any divine lineage
>>18478860Plato may have been. The most authentic paganism you can do is actually the neoplatonic paganism, simply because the writings that were important to understanding its metaphysics actually exist but the pagan religions don't function like christianity.It's not even about mystery cults, although they're important part of it. Think about Dionysius. He was a popular deity but people misinterpret him. While morons try to either see him as god of wine or Jesus Christ but Greek in reality he's a god that makes you act insane, a god of spontaneous, irrational destruction of the social order. In the mind of a Greek, Dionysius makes you forget all the social norms with no regards for consequences. Herodotus has this story about a guy who was supposed to marry into some rich family but during a dinner got drunk and started dancing in a way that was so demeaning that the father of the bride told him he's out, the would be son in law just said he doesn't care. That's Dionysius in action. Why does he do it nobody knows, he's beyond your comprehension. Maybe it's about his personal amusement, maybe it's part of some greater plan. You don't know and you won't know.As such the foundational text that would replace the old testament would not be Illiad or something, but a book resembling the old testament, which by itself is a redacted version of 2 or 3 different texts that attempted to gather jewish oral traditions.
