What crime did the suitors commit that Odysseus chimped out and slaughtered them? They were guests and he killed the guests of his wife. Absolutely barbaric behavior.
if you read between the lines its pretty clear that they were molesting/raping telemachus
>>18479414>Find bunch of niggers trying to marry and fuck your wife so they can innherit from her your propertyYeah, he could get away with it.So its fine
>>18479418Eh the gay boy probable liked it.
>>18479424They never raped his wife. They were just chilling at his home as guests of his wife. How can Odysseus just rock up, string a bow, then proceed to butcher his guests?
They flouted xenia by using Odysseus' property without his permission (his home, his food, his slaves). Going against xenia was seen as very bad juju by the ancient Greeks.
>>18479433He wasnt at home and thus his wife was in charge and she let them in and gave them food and drink, making them the guests of the house of Odysseus. Killing them violates the sacred protection.
>>18479474They overstayed their welcome. They abused Odysseus' xenia. They should have suffered a much worse fate honestly.
>>18479414Maybe my translation sucked but it really did come across as him chimping out and going full murder hobo for the fun of it.
>>18479475Also they threw chairs and stools at him.
>>18479476>but it really did come across as him chimping out and going full murder hobo for the fun of it.Because thats what happened. He rocked up and just brutally slaughtered everyone. What a fucking ptsd driven lunatic.
>>18479418The boy belongs to his father. The guests cant enjoy him without the father's approval.
Crime?Odysseus was the fucking king.He can just kill them and nobody is going to say shit. They should have been more respectful.
It’s strongly implied the suitors would have killed Odysseus if he had just rocked up openly. That’s why he returns disguised as a beggar, not just for dramatic flair, but to spy on them, test the household, and avoid getting jumped before he can act.So, yes, the suitors are the ones who violated guest-right. They devoured his estate, harassed his wife, plotted to kill Telemachus, and abused Odysseus himself while he is disguised as a beggar. In the poem’s moral logic, the massacre is basically a defensive ambush / execution of criminal guests, not random murder.That said, the part that is hardest to stomach is Odysseus killing the enslaved women afterward. They are usually called maidservants, but they’re household slaves, and he has them killed for sleeping with the suitors and supposedly siding with them. That’s incredibly messed up, because they had almost no real agency in the situation.
>>18479414Being free loaders for decades on his dime.
>>18480458>not the hecking womenrinos! shut up cuck. you still have responsibility for who you side with. siding with and being a whore for the suitors at the expense of the righteous maids is not neutral
>>18479414Odysseus was angry that a bunch of other men were living in his house and trying to fuck his wife, so he killed them. While the suitors may not have been doing anything wrong from their own perspective, in that they honestly did think Odysseus was dead at this point, that doesn't necessarily change how Odysseus felt about the situation.Classical Greek heroes aren't exactly known for acting in a maximally ethical way based on a dispassionate consideration of the facts. That's kinda what makes these ancient stories interesting and what separates them from comic book slop.
odysseus did nothing wrong
>>18480636>Classical Greek heroes aren't exactly known for acting in a maximally ethical way based on a dispassionate consideration of the facts.Perseus. He did nothing wrong, not intentionally at least.
>>18480658That's arguable. Medusa may have been a dangerous monster, but she kept to herself on her island and Perseus was sent to kill her basically as a hitman.
>>18480458foid hands typed this
>>18480636>While the suitors may not have been doing anything wrongUnless they were very autistic the suitors knew very well they were doing everything wrong, they just thought they were getting away with it, equivalent to stereotypical gangsters or bandits
>>18479476no that's accurate, especially when he brutally murders the slaves of the suitors as well, and then the families of the suitors show up justifiably angry that Odysseus took the best of a generation of Ithacans with him to Troy, comes back 20 years later as the sole survivor and then massacres a whole new group of Ithacans. And in response he's just like "oh boy more killing"
>>18480458>It’s strongly implied the suitors would have killed Odysseus if he had just rocked up openly. That’s why he returns disguised as a beggar, not just for dramatic flair, but to spy on them, test the household, and avoid getting jumped before he can act.He continues to disguise himself around Penelope when there is absolutely no reason to do so.
>>18479476If it's the Wilson translation then yeah it sucks
odysseus was never a virtuous hero. the odyssey was to cure him of his hubris and not to make him a beacon of honor. in the end he cleaned his house, using humility as a tool in a plan well done. athene was proud.
>>18479414They tried to kill his son and fuck his wife. They ate all his food too.
>>18480933Is trying to fuck a mans wife so wrong if everyone thinks he's dead? And his son was a useless shit of no benefit to anyone.
very autistic thread. if you can't see why the suitors were in the wrong you would have been manipulated a lot if you lived in that time.
>>18480935I see you conveniently ignored my last point. If I walked in my front door after fighting a war then being lost at sea to find someone drinking my good wine I'd kill them too.
>>18480939But how is that their fault if your ass was gone for decades without the slightest sign of life? Of course they would be trying to fuck your fat tiddy wife and drink your fine vintage. It's reasonable.
>>18480945They understood the risk they were taking.
>>18479414They were pretty obviously abusing their guest's right by eating all his food, courting his wife, disrespecting his house, and plotting against his son. The slaughter wa completely justified. You have to remember thi story was written with Greek morality in mind, not ours.
