>Here's your legal system, broIs it any wonder that we are where we are a society when the institution that is supposed to be the epitome of rules-based order and procedure acts like this?
>>18483374As long as there is a financial incentive to practice law it will always have byzantine and nonsensical procedures and practices.
>>18483374Lawyers are so evil, I sincerely think everyone agrees killing all lawyers would always be a net benefit to society. What do lawyers even contribute to society? Absolutely fucking nothing
>>18483378This. Law is captured by the legal profession. It binds people it has been designed to be incomprehensible to in order to benefit a cartel.
>>18483374Go back
>>18483378Yep. But the rub is, without financial incentive nobody would practice it.
>>18483385Lawyers are useful, but I think they need to be regularly purged. Like decimation, only more extreme, maybe 3 in every 4 lawyers is randomly killed, every few years.
>>18483594God forbid there be an institution people interact with that's sustainable through the efforts of volunteers and the people who have an interest in its goings on.
>>18483374What exactly is your complaint with the OP? You think a judge SHOULD permanently dismiss a viable claim because an attorney missed a single appointment for whatever reason?
>>18483820Yes. You're a legal professional, act like you know the rules. The written rules, not the ones judges make up becauae they can't be assed to do things correctly. And if you don't, there should be consequences, just like there are consequences for laymen who engage with the system and don't follow the rules. The deference based on affinity is contemptible.
tl;dr>someone from Reddit with Cluster B mental disorders dilates over the idea of legal nuanceGreat thread OP!
>>18484515You seem upset over the idea of lawyers being forced to follow the law. That's strange, especially for a psychologist such as yourself.
>>18484506>>18484545The judge is following the law. The law gives the judge discretion, they're not expected to be robots blindly following some computer program, no matter how ridiculous or unfair the result is.Also you don't now what you're talking about when you say deference based on affinity, because pro se litigants are given FAR greater license than attorneys.
People itt are complaining about complex and byzantine systems and how it’s captured by people paid to do a job, and then you argue for throwing a case out on technicalities and that a client’s potentially viable claim or defense should be completely fucked if their attorney did something like miss a hearing. The point is to adjudicate cases on their merits, not win on technicalities in an overly complex system that people itt are supposedly against. Completely incoherent bitching and moaning.There are plenty of good reasons as to why an attorney might miss a hearing. They usually don’t. The judge can figure out if there is a good reason for it. If not, there are ways to hold lawyers accountable for their actions through disciplinary boards, if it’s that bad. But what’s funny is that any judge would do the same for a pro se party if a default judgment was entered and there was a good reason for missing the hearing or not filing anything. Judges are so lenient with pro se parties that it’s often absurd.Also, it’s reddit so of course they’re retarded too. They’re talking about a motion to dismiss in the same breath as a default. These are completely different things and completely changes the context. Who the fuck knows what actually happened, but I’m sure the situation doesn’t call for a dismissal with prejudice and it’s someone being butthurt they can’t automatically get their way.>Oh yeah, I’m getting fucking hammered for tens of thousands of dollars in a frivolous lawsuit. Good thing my attorney is gonna take care of it. What? He didn’t show up to a hearing after putting in an appearance and the judge is going to stick me with paying tens of thousands of dollars without hearing the merits? That’s totally just and fair. Justice served.That’s you, dumbass. That’s what you’re asking for.
>>18484627>The law gives the judge discretion, they're not expected to be robots blindly following some computer programThat you don't see the hypocrisy and the ways in which this is not at all true ("Third strike, my hands are tied, life for selling weed") is a little alarming. Not only is the system dysfunctional, the arbiters are drinking their own piss and calling it wine.>Also you don't now what you're talking about when you say deference based on affinity, because pro se litigants are given FAR greater license than attorneys.This is a lie attorneys tell themselves to feel better when pro se litigants overcome the mountain of prejudice involved in being judged by someone who is effectively the colleague of opposing counsel.
>>18484649>not win on technicalities in an overly complex system that people itt are supposedly againstThis is how lawyers win, but laymen aren't allowed to engage this way. The issue is with this inconsistency, and it is an internally consistent grievance. Either the details count or they don't. And if we're going to do this, "It depends," song-and-dance, professionals should definitely be held to a higher standard than laymen. Instead, lawyers get off without even showing up while laymen can have their whole case thrown because of a slip of the tongue.>That’s totally just and fair. Justice served.Yes. Sue your attorney. You hired them to represent you and they didn't, it should be cut-and-dry and they pay instead of you. Also, I'm not overlooking that you had to flip the parties in your straw man. The person with the lawyer that didn't show is the one doing the hammering. And yes, they should lose the case, and I hope they burn in bankruptcy hell.
>>18484676what autism causes this level of pedantry?
>>18484774I think anon got burned by some level of sematics autistic evil , but he also agrees with it, insofar that he thinks he is to low, to criticise it , to actually go against it long term.so he has to compromise with , what he sees, as an autistic demon.but because he is compromising he also needs to become more autistic himself.
>>18483378Oy vey cool it with the antisemitism
>>18483374You just have to accept law is somewhat ridiculous and will be somewhat ridiculous forever. Such is its nature. I guess it may depend on the legal culture, though.I think the way high level jurisprudence affects politics and society at large is very interesting, though.
